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Originally Posted by Draven  1.) All ninja lore is psuedo-ninja lore. Even Hatsumi's "proven ninja lineage" is unproven. Especially since he refuses to turn over the scrolls for authentication, so as far as I see it all ninjitsu is psuedo ninja lore.
2.) I've never seen Ashida Kim mention the Lin Kuei either.
3.) I don't know details, so I can't say yay or nay. But I saw it in a book, if I can dig it up I'll drop a author's name and page number. It was only one line in a paragraph. I think it was the same place the MK guys got their concept from.
4.) Yes but Japan is the only country that will invent a martial arts in 1975 and say it traces back a thousand years, except for TKD in south korea. But the TKD is polical, since modern TKD's inventor sided with North Korea.
5.) First all Japanese culture, as we know it came from China. Historic documention from older periods of Chinese history. When the Chinese discovered the Japanese Islands the Japanese were using stone weapons, had no written language, and were basically stuck in the stone age. The Japanese didn't even have fuedalism, they were warring tribes of wildmen.
6.) The Chinese taught them how to writen, how to make steal, ect. So realistically any Japanese history before China's intervention is solely verbal and most likely mythical.
7.) Anyway, the oldest know person to "use/invent" jujitsu, name escapes me, was reported to have gone to China to study medicine and returned with herbs and Jujitsu. I forget the name of book I got this from, it was also on a program on the history channel.
8.) The Chinese have several grappling systems older then feudal Japanese culture, Chin-Na being the most well known, that are very "Jujitsu-like." Aside from the the two Sino-wars and the Russo Japanese war there hasn't been any major conflicts between China and Japan as empires. And that were allot of the bad blood comes from, between the two.
9.) Oh yeah, the Jujitsu guy didn't bring back medicine, the Chinese did that when they first found the Japanese. He just went to China to study with them and learn medicine there. It was common practice for centuries... |
1.) Indeed. How can a lineage of assasins afford to keep records? Like Shaolin, Ninjitsu is over-hyped.
2.) This guy has a lot of unexplanable stuff.
3.) There was a old book in a local library that stated nearly the same. I will see if it is still there.
4.) And with that, the Chinese Communist Government (PRC) finally seen a need (commercial and pride propaganda), to re-hype Shaolin.
5.) And to that, much of Chinese stuff came from India and Middle East.
6.) Well, if one is to trace the genetics, I guess they could have all came from Tibet.
7.) As I stated; This came from a few sources that Takeda Sokaku, whom many beleive to be the founder of Daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu. He had traveled to other Asian countries....so......
8.) They also had a old style of wrestling - I'll give you a hint "Horn Butting".
9.) Given that the Japanese took Karate from Okinawa, which in turn Okinawa got its foundation from maonland China,,,given that the Japanese acccepted Buddhism and Ch;en to which they call Zen....
However, Japanese sword making, was NOT Chinese influenced as the techniques and craft was many centuries of trial and error.