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Funny this, I was about to start a thread on Kenpo but I think I'll use this one instead. I met a fellow recently who has joined up at my tang soo do group. He used to do Kenpo for a number of years, while having a chat with him in the student bar afterwards he was telling me a bit about it, and some of his favourite counters:

"So he goes to punch you, you step here, block his punch, pull his arm forward, kick his knee here so it breaks, step like this so his falls over like this, do a eagle claw to his eyes so he is blinded, do a palm strike to his nose so it breaks, you're still holding his arm so twist it like this and he'll roll over like this..."

and now my favourite part...

"do a stomp kick here, then wrench the arm like this and it'll break here, wrench it over your knee here and it'll break again and do a strike here and it'll break for the third time, and if you kick this part of the arm while pulling the hand, his arm will now come off"

Me: "Come off???!!!"

Him: "Yep"

Me: "Then you get arrested"

Him: "No, you would use anything like that in the street"

What I don't get is; what is the point of learning it at all? Surely after you've poked him in the eyes the guy is going to be pretty defenseless. Also, how can you justify pulling somebodies arm off? Maybe this does all work but it sounded a bit Ashida Kim to me.
Not taking a dig at Kenpo here because I'm sure different intructors teach different things.