[JackG]

Originally Posted by Draven

An interesting thing about aikido against untrained fighters is that many untrained fighters have no ukemi skills and instead of the effortless throw & roll seen in aikido demonstations they end up on their face and sliding across the pavement. So my injury I always figure Ueshiba meant serious injury such as maiming, crippling, or killing. So on that we agree fully...

A really good point seeing techniques without a breakfall is ugly like a full applied wrist locks isnt the nice flowery breakfall out thier hand just faces the wrong way , woman breakfalled wrongly from a throw - well basically didn't. I heard hear ankle snap across the mat