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Originally Posted by sannin227  I thought it was people get into it for fantastic reasons and become more serious later on (not all). |
In some cases yes, the allot of information on ninjutsu is obscured for various reasons. Some people I know are learned ninjutsu to beable to catch bullets with their teeth (not seriously) and then grew up and out of the "Hollywood imagery," allot of people well lets just say it ain't good.
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Originally Posted by sannin227 What is wrong with that? Many people (I hate the term nerd) are abused by "jocks" just because they are smart or say things badly, or are weak, etc.. What is wrong with wanting to be able to defend yourself when being wrongly abused. |
Nothing is wrong with wanting to defend yourself, I support that 100%, but there are issues with troubled (emotionallt tormented) kids wanting to learn ninjutsu to become "ninja assassins" and "assassinate" the jocks.
I've worked with a few kids who had problems, some wanted to defend themselves and some wanted to return abuse ofr abuse. Some kids will take MAs for that reason not just ninjutsu, it one of those "things."
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Originally Posted by sannin227 What are you talking about? There IS (note not WAS) more than just one "ninja" left in Japan, and your talking like Hatsumi is dead, he is the grandmaster of his style(s) and niether him nor the other person you mentioned is/was the last "ninja" in Japan. |
One Hatsumi is already passing himself off on the "Last Ninja" title, and as far as I know from when I was in the Bujinkan he never did any special ops stuff with his ninjutsu. As for Seiko Fujita, yes he was the last ninja (not "ninja") in Japan.
Seiko Fujita was a war hero, an Officer and was responsible for the training used by the Japanese Espionage Service & the Irgun through his former students.
Also Togakure Ryu Ninjutsu is not a proven linage, just claimed to be proven. The only proven koryu ninjutsu systems in Japan (something Hatsumi claims but has never proven) are the Tenshinsho-den Katori Shinto Ryu which has ninjutsu as only part of the art.
I won't argue effectiveness because I've met all ot Bujin guys who made big claims and couldn't fight out of a paper bag and allof who were very impressive fighters. I will say this much, it you are going to have an organization where individuals make it a point to debase other arts then at least do so truthfully.
For the Bujinkan instructors and students who are actually respectable & good-intended in their training I have the upmost respect. But, in return I don't have respect for the money hungery, debasing & abusive members who need lineage to prove the true mythical ninja image/propaganda then I have no respect for them. Thats true of all of MAs as well, but its more so for myself having been in an organization and spoon fed allot of BS by the "authentic ninjutsu schools" and having found out it was all BS.