[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I don't think that is the case. I think what we see here is that things with gangs and this and that is the extreme, it's not the norm. Many of the people on this forum and in fact the entire world will never fight an entire gang of people. Some may come across it, that is true but, should it affect the way that everyone trains? If so where does it stop? Steve Irwin got taken out by freaking sting ray, should we now start training for aquatic life defense? What about polar bears? How about angry former circus midgets? These things may happen but, what is the real likely hood of it ever happening to everyone?

Indeed. As I had posted;
I somewhat agree. Training to fight a "biker", would be like training to fight against a baby-faced teenager with a gun.

Though self defense training should be about variables, it shouldn't go beyond tangible situations of one's own activities/environment.

Originally Posted by The End

I personally am not trying to be rude when I post things like "this is ridiculous" but, at some point we have to draw a line. We're looking at sports martial arts so we look where it is tested and forged in the ring or cage. I offered the defense that one on one street or ring there is not much difference. Then the typical arguments started rearing their ugly heads. What about gangs and more then one attacker, what if the entire country of Macedonia wanted to fight you? Where is your combat sport now? And every one puffs out their chest ha ha ha you can't take out a whole country with BJJ or boxing. These arguments get incredibly stale and boring after a time.

But this thread is abut critics of sport martial arts, per I guess critcizing or pointing out certain flaws.

Originally Posted by The End

I can't speak for everyone, however, in my line of work, I often will be surrounded by several people who are incarcerated for a variety of reasons. There are people there for minor violations all the way up to multiple homicides. There are people who are gang members and so on. Should several of them decide to attack me, my ability to successfully execute a flying armbar, defend against an Omo-Plata of defend the cross-body armbar will be of little benefit.

Per my above italized quote in blue and previous post.

Originally Posted by The End

each of us deals with a different reality in our day to day lives and we each see "self defense" differently as well. Do I believe training in various martial arts over the years is helpful to self defense? Absolutely. But they, just like the RBSD systems do have their weaknesses.

I agree. And we should prepare defense about our life situations and/or environments.