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Originally Posted by Joemoplata  As I think most people have figured out, I tend to categorize "moves" into two area: Risk and Percentage.
With any type of roundhouse or spinning kick, they tend to be the type of technique that falls into the Low Percentage/High Risk category. This basically means that you aren't going to very often achieve the goal you were looking for with the move (a KO in this case) and if you miss you are left in a bad position yourself.
That doesn't mean it can't work, of course it can, but it's risky when compared to some other more efficient techniques. |
Gotta give you kudos on this post. Many many times, a martial artist will say, "I can do this!" or "I can do that!" but the actual chance of achieving this or that is fairly low. Yes, a jumping spinning heal kick can knock someone out cold. However, the more likely scenerio if this technique if tried is you'll find yourself in trouble...especially against an experienced fighter. It is definitley a risk vs reward thing.
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Originally Posted by Chapel
As for horse stance, kick him in the groin tell him you will each and every time you see him doing that in a fight. It is a stance to be used in drills ONLY. It is supposed to build up leg strength and isolate the arms to help make blocks and the like faster for when you are doing it while sparring. Jeez, I mean, you wouldn't attempt to do squats to defend yourself.
I think you are underestimating the emphasis on not only kicks, but the speed of kicks in TKD. In order to realistically push someone over while they are kicking at you, you either need to be much faster than them, at a superior position than them or both. In that case, I would argue that you are the better martial artist and deserve to win.
For 2 of your 3 possibilities I don't think you will get the result you intend. Namely, the push and the punch to the mid section. There are a lot of difficulties with even executing this because if the TKDist is kicking it is at you and he is in a kicking distance away from you making punching or pushing rather difficult. Now, assuming that the punch or push was successfully executed, if the TKDist is decent, his leg will already be going back to the ground. So, you hope that you will send him tumbling to the ground will be dashed when it just causes him to shift weight a bit. (This really shouldn't be surprising. After all, there is a push that doesn't cause the TKDist to fall each and every time that he makes contact with a kick to a solid object.)
The third situation, with the grabbed leg, is the dangerous one. It is probably the single best argument for cross training, but that being said, any decent TKD school which isn't only playing the sport should teach the limited TKD defense against this. If they are slightly better, they should also reach out to other styles to patch up this weakness.
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I agree with you on the horse stance. I've heard people at tournaments and on the street tell other martial artist that Wing Chun fights out of ma bo ( horse stance ). This is a total fallacy, but is perputuated by people who don't understand why the first form is done almost entirely in ma bo.
I have to disagree with you a bit on kicking, Chapel. No human being, no matter how good thier kicking might be, is designed to have a solid base or balance while on one leg. This doesn't mean a person cannot be very good at fighting using kicks. However, it is not the most anatomically efficient way for a human being to move or fight.
Also if a good fighter gets in on you using solid structure and you are shifting weight from a kick, you are forced into a situation where you must start recovering because you are already a recoverey position when they reach you. That is akin to playing poker against a stacked deck. You just don't hold the cards to win.
Again, I'm not saying that TKD cannot be used for fighting. I have seen some very good TKD fighters. I have also seen a great many more TKD fighters that had no understanding of physics, anatomy, or that thier arms would raise above thier waist.
