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Originally Posted by Draven  All ninja lore is psuedo-ninja lore. Even Hatsumi's "proven ninja lineage" is unproven. Especially since he refuses to turn over the scrolls for authentication, so as far as I see it all ninjitsu is psuedo ninja lore.
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I dont think that All of Japanese culture came from China...there are other influences. and Japan an Korea has some Chinese influence but to say that All of the culture comes from China is ludicrous.
thats kinda like saying that All martial arts came from China...when what they do is a shadow of Indian arts.
Hatsumi Sensie's Lineage is Proven as is Takamatsu Sensie. but the issue with the scrolls....well its not really the scrolls soley
but with Ninjutsu....the Koryu board acknowledges Ninjutsu but they dont know if it should be listed with thier other Koryu arts because of the cloak & dagger aspects of Ninjutsu and also because they are majority Budo arts
there is also Jinichi Kawakami who is a true descendant of the Koga clan (ban family) an he's acknowledged by the Koryu board but like Hatsumi they dont know for sure to list ninjutsu with thier Budo arts.
but does Jinichi or Hatsumi give a damn?.....no i wouldnt give a damn either about being accepted into the social circle of a bunch of watered down Gendai Budo people.
Ninjutsu follows the concepts of the Old way...not the new watered down Sportish way that some but not all Budo arts follow.