Aikido

[Militis]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Oh- so you are going to test the weakness/flaws of Aikido....right?

Exactly.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Militis

Exactly.

Don't attack linearly. If they tell you they wanyt to show you a example and to punch a certain way, then this is not how it is in real fisticuffs. Everyone is not going to punch in that certain way.

Given the space, though I seen a few Aikidoists faulter, I had seen a couple of them do real well, space provided. They can move smooth from/counter common attacks like pushing, charging, mid to high kicks, and wild hook punches

And since we know about the structure of their tactics, we can take advantage.

Here is what you do:

Low kicks are their frustrations, as they cannot trap em fast enough. What they will do is move in or circle away.

Fake a fast, sharp snap kick, say to their leg, as soon as this is not, use a jab.

Counter their Counter as soon as they do

Circle and go on the defense. Like a boxer's foot work. See if they would come at you.

[Draven]

Must admit I like the idea of field testing aikido, I have found that some Americanized versions are quite effective. WHich style to you plan to test..?

[Militis]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Don't attack linearly. If they tell you they wanyt to show you a example and to punch a certain way, then this is not how it is in real fisticuffs. Everyone is not going to punch in that certain way.

Given the space, though I seen a few Aikidoists faulter, I had seen a couple of them do real well, space provided. They can move smooth from/counter common attacks like pushing, charging, mid to high kicks, and wild hook punches

And since we know about the structure of their tactics, we can take advantage.

Here is what you do:

Low kicks are their frustrations, as they cannot trap em fast enough. What they will do is move in or circle away.

Fake a fast, sharp snap kick, say to their leg, as soon as this is not, use a jab.

Counter their Counter as soon as they do

Circle and go on the defense. Like a boxer's foot work. See if they would come at you.

From what I was told an Aikidoist never comes at you. They don't ever attack first, they wait for you to attack and take advantage of it. Their movements are only reactions to yours. It you don't attack they have no reason to attack.

Oh and I don't know what style it is. Aikido is only 50 or so years old. I believe it is a direct dirivitive of the original.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Militis

1.) From what I was told an Aikidoist never comes at you. They don't ever attack first, they wait for you to attack and take advantage of it. Their movements are only reactions to yours. It you don't attack they have no reason to attack.

2.) Oh and I don't know what style it is. Aikido is only 50 or so years old. I believe it is a direct dirivitive of the original.

1.) For the most part-yes...but there are some attacks in it.

2.) It is near 80 years old...

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Militis

From what I was told an Aikidoist never comes at you. They don't ever attack first, they wait for you to attack and take advantage of it. Their movements are only reactions to yours. It you don't attack they have no reason to attack.

Oh and I don't know what style it is. Aikido is only 50 or so years old. I believe it is a direct dirivitive of the original.

Not all aikido is defensive, in fact in the book Dynamic Aikido it is even advised to respond with Atemi in the form of quick linear attacks, especially against an attacker who uses circular motions. It is simply the trapping, locking and throws that are circular.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Not all aikido is defensive, in fact in the book Dynamic Aikido it is even advised to respond with Atemi in the form of quick linear attacks, especially against an attacker who uses circular motions. It is simply the trapping, locking and throws that are circular.

As per what I stated....




However, The thing to remember, it is the ability of the practitioner, and not his art you should be concerned with.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

As per what I stated....

Yes but saying read Dynamic Aikido seemed to short

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

However, The thing to remember, it is the ability of thepractitoner, and not his art you should be concerned with.

As always lol...

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Yes but saying read Dynamic Aikido seemed to short

As always lol...

Well, it is ok, if someone actually had the book.....


I like Aikido, if some of them get off the "Mystical Ki Kick".

[Bobbin Threadbare]

"Does anyone have anything bad to say about Aikido? If you do, please post it, then I will go test it out this week. I seriously can't find a weakness. It is all about feeling the other's movements and motion, so you can't really screw up if you completely relax and go with the flow."

And therein lies the problem. It operates under the assumption that you can do that and your opponent can't AND that you're the more agile combatant. Furthermore, it's based around dealing with an attacker who, left unopposed, would fluidly chain attacks together rather than make tentative moves that can be blocked but not caught and exploited.

Another issue is the relative complexity. Unless you are physically weak, there are easier ways to throw/pin someone that can be assimilated into muscle memory much faster. The scope of what's covered is narrow as well. Even after a few years of Aikido, you could actually lose a fight against someone who you'd have beaten by instinct or prior martial knowledge by relying entirely on Aikido. Any addition to your arsenal is a good thing, but prioritizing Aikido in that arsenal probably isn't a good idea. Personally, I wouldn't bring Aikido to the table until I'd already weakened my opponent through other means.

That said, if you are considerably faster than your opponent, there's precious little that will end a fight faster than Aikido. Unfortunately, while schools differ, Aikido training doesn't explicitly provide this edge.

[Militis]

Originally Posted by Bobbin Threadbare

"Does anyone have anything bad to say about Aikido? If you do, please post it, then I will go test it out this week. I seriously can't find a weakness. It is all about feeling the other's movements and motion, so you can't really screw up if you completely relax and go with the flow."

And therein lies the problem. It operates under the assumption that you can do that and your opponent can't AND that you're the more agile combatant. Furthermore, it's based around dealing with an attacker who, left unopposed, would fluidly chain attacks together rather than make tentative moves that can be blocked but not caught and exploited.

Another issue is the relative complexity. Unless you are physically weak, there are easier ways to throw/pin someone that can be assimilated into muscle memory much faster. The scope of what's covered is narrow as well. Even after a few years of Aikido, you could actually lose a fight against someone who you'd have beaten by instinct or prior martial knowledge by relying entirely on Aikido. Any addition to your arsenal is a good thing, but prioritizing Aikido in that arsenal probably isn't a good idea. Personally, I wouldn't bring Aikido to the table until I'd already weakened my opponent through other means.

That said, if you are considerably faster than your opponent, there's precious little that will end a fight faster than Aikido. Unfortunately, while schools differ, Aikido training doesn't explicitly provide this edge.

I completely disagree with the part about aikido being complex. Once you have the human body's motions down, you can do any technique in aikido without thinking about it.

The part about weakening them with another means--that's what I love about aikido, you can start with the flowing motion to get them off balance and then you can apply any martial art from there. They stress that you don't want to hurt the opponent, but I think it is cool how well the pain inflicting techniques fit in with its movements. I think aikido should be practiced along side any other art.

[Bobbin Threadbare]

"I completely disagree with the part about aikido being complex. Once you have the human body's motions down, you can do any technique in aikido without thinking about it."

Well, I think it's relative. It's more complex than Judo and certainly any Western grappling system. And it's knowledge of the motions of the body that is a problem against tentative attacks. Even if you catch a jab, the person delivering it is already poised to withdraw the hand a fraction of a second later and therefore isn't continuing to exert force in a way that would throw them off balance. If it was the sort of strike where, if you simply dodged, their balance would be off, you'd be in business, but you aren't going to see much of that from another martial artist.

"The part about weakening them with another means--that's what I love about aikido, you can start with the flowing motion to get them off balance and then you can apply any martial art from there. They stress that you don't want to hurt the opponent, but I think it is cool how well the pain inflicting techniques fit in with its movements. I think aikido should be practiced along side any other art."

And I approached it as such, as a complimentary art. However, we're still talking about moves which require a lot of agility to execute. With practice, the moves can become second nature, but it's a bit optimistic to guarantee that they can be initiated successfully.

[Unkotare]

Originally Posted by Bobbin Threadbare

It's more complex than Judo and certainly any Western grappling system

Upon what do you base this claim?

[47MartialMan]

I dont think Aikido is complex, just its teachers.

They tend to demo Ki, or spoon feed tactics, in order to add more meaning, purpose, and merit.

[Militis]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I dont think Aikido is complex, just its teachers.

They tend to demo Ki, or spoon feed tactics, in order to add more meaning, purpose, and merit.

Thank you, I agree with that statement.