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What is the falied issue? Do state Aikido is more or less complex?
To make proclamations about the relative complexities of different arts when one does not have sufficient experience in one or all of the arts in question to make a truly informed judgment.
To make proclamations about the relative complexities of different arts when one does not have sufficient experience in one or all of the arts in question to make a truly informed judgment.
Nothing that should threaten the ego so much.
But, if one had tried, or had in some way, grasped fundamentals, one could determine, to a degree, what they deem complex.....
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a) Grasping the 'fundamentals' is not necessarily enough to make an informed judgment. A lot of things look simpler than they are when you only understand the surface of them.
b) A beginner (or someone who has never studied seriously) is often the least qualified to judge when he has acquired the 'fundamentals.'
a) Grasping the 'fundamentals' is not necessarily enough to make an informed judgment. A lot of things look simpler than they are when you only understand the surface of them.
b) A beginner (or someone who has never studied seriously) is often the least qualified to judge when he has acquired the 'fundamentals.'
Sounds somewhat like a discussion I have with my daughter about math...
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I found Aikido more difficult to pick up, period. I do NOT need 10 years of Judo or anything else to be able to say that. Even if I'd just spent a month on something, I am in a position to say what I find difficult and what I don't.
I found Aikido more difficult to pick up, period. I do NOT need 10 years of Judo or anything else to be able to say that. Even if I'd just spent a month on something, I am in a position to say what I find difficult and what I don't.
To me, the diffigculty could lay in the way the instructor presents it, a person's own ability (mental and physcial) to be able to do it, and not giving the art a chance.
One persons adaptability and understanding is another's difficulty.
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I found Aikido more difficult to pick up, period. I do NOT need 10 years of Judo or anything else to be able to say that. Even if I'd just spent a month on something, I am in a position to say what I find difficult and what I don't.
Ah, there we go. See how that handy pronoun was conspicuously missing from this?
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Originally Posted by Bobbin Threadbare
It's more complex than Judo and certainly any Western grappling system.
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"To me, the diffigculty could lay in the way the instructor presents it, a person's own ability (mental and physcial) to be able to do it, and not giving the art a chance."
Certainly. Though I've always been talking about the number of steps involved in the moves as the level of complexity. Fewer steps make for an easier move to use. Beyond that, other factors can make something simple or complicated, but that was never what I was talking about.
And call me crazy, but it doesn't take me 10 years of study to see how many steps are in one move or another.
Not that I'm some high ranking Aikidoka (or even a low ranking one for that matter), but I have been trying to gather as much information as I could about the many different styles: Iwarma, Aikikai, Tomiki, Shin Shin Toitsu, Yoshinkin, etc., local Dojo's and even bought and read, aikido founder, Morihei Ueshiba's book 'the Art of Peace'. After doing all of this the only problem that I have noticed (if you could call it that) is that it takes a good long while to learn the basics and to apply them in different self defense situations. Now I do not mean that it isn't an effective art of self defense, just that it takes awhile, but then again most things that are worth while if life (like the guitar or math)take some time to learn. If they were easy why do them?(or if they were easy then how would we impress the ladies?) As I stated it is a very well balanced grappling system involving how to stop an attacker or many attackers, weapons (like the Jo) and how to defend/disarm against weapons, but most of all what it teaches is balance both of body and mind. as O-Sensi said, "The Art of Peace that I practice has room for each of the world's 8 million gods and I cooperate with them all. The God of Peace is very great and enjoins all that is divine and enlightened in every land."
Last edited by clockworkmechanicalman; 11-10-2007 at 10:11 PM.
Reason: my spelling sucks, i guess i'm not smarter than a 5th grader
Which was my point exactly. I can't seem to find any cons with aikido. It makes complete sense. The only bad thing is if some meth adict is fighting you and he doesn't stop when a normal person would, but there are moves even for that.
Does anyone have anything bad to say about Aikido? If you do, please post it, then I will go test it out this week. I seriously can't find a weakness. It is all about feeling the other's movements and motion, so you can't really screw up if you completely relax and go with the flow.
Like I said, I can't seem to find any cons for this art, and there just has to be. Please post some that you either know of or think you know of. I will post back with the results.
I find that Aikido' s biggest con is that it is veery hard to actually preform a technique in a real life situation. If a guy come at you, hes not going to throw just one punch or kick, but many, giving you very little time to preform the stuff you have learned.
But, I'm sure with lots of training and good reflexes, this is not that much of a problem.
I find that Aikido' s biggest con is that it is veery hard to actually preform a technique in a real life situation. If a guy come at you, hes not going to throw just one punch or kick, but many, giving you very little time to preform the stuff you have learned.
But, I'm sure with lots of training and good reflexes, this is not that much of a problem.
Well, it is doing something before the opponent has to be able to do other methods.
Thugh, they practice against linear attacks, the flaw I see is angular or moving attacks
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Angular attacks are incorporated into practice. That brand of flaw would manifest more in the form of low kicks and aggressively employed grapples. That's not the major gap in training, however. It's more the hypothetical nature of the practice itself, which doesn't account for tentative or easily retracted attacks.
I dont mean angular as a attackers coming from different directions. I mean angular per a oppenent switching foot work or other pattern to come in beyond a straight forward one
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Aikido
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