JapaneseJiuJitsu vs. Aikido?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by merm

Yeah, that's true. It's much easier to dislocate a joint than actually breaking a bone. This is why you don't have to be especially strong in Aikido.

Good Morning;

Aikido is a "Internal Art" What is easer, too break, or too dislocate, would "Only" depend on what is necessary in one's defense You Gentelman, that Do Not Have Any Training In Aikido, or Hapkido, or Judo --- Need too get some Experience in these Systems before you all start judging weather one style or the other does this or does that
There is an Old saying = Do not rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training
Gentelman; "ALL" of these Martial Systems Have Methods(techniques) that are designed too (Break)- (Dislocate) - (Knock out) - (Embarrass) - AND (Kill) Your Attacker
Remember; Its not the Style that makes the Man, its the Man that makes the Style

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Tom

Good Morning;

Aikido is a "Internal Art" What is easer, too break, or too dislocate, would "Only" depend on what is necessary in one's defense You Gentelman, that Do Not Have Any Training In Aikido, or Hapkido, or Judo --- Need too get some Experience in these Systems before you all start judging weather one style or the other does this or does that
There is an Old saying = Do not rise to the level of your expectations, but fall to the level of your training
Gentelman; "ALL" of these Martial Systems Have Methods(techniques) that are designed too (Break)- (Dislocate) - (Knock out) - (Embarrass) - AND (Kill) Your Attacker
Remember; Its not the Style that makes the Man, its the Man that makes the Style

Miyagi knows: "No Bad Student-Bad teacher - Teacher Say, Student Do"

[Marty Ryusui-ryu]

One thing I will say having studied Aikido for a few years now, and have trained with Jujitsu is that Aikido does not attack the person, only the persons balance. So in the interest of love and peace Aikido has the upper hand as it does not aim to kill.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Marty Ryusui-ryu

One thing I will say having studied Aikido for a few years now, and have trained with Jujitsu is that Aikido does not attack the person, only the persons balance. So in the interest of love and peace Aikido has the upper hand as it does not aim to kill.

A lot of martial arts do not have a aim to kill.

[Marty Ryusui-ryu]

I appreciate that but in jujitsu they imply the braking of the neck, arms etc. Aikido does not.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Marty Ryusui-ryu

I appreciate that but in jujitsu they imply the braking of the neck, arms etc. Aikido does not.

Well, like Judo, Aikido came from Jiu Jitsu, and developed as a 'MILDER" form.

[Norton]

Originally Posted by complete

I think it's spelled "Ju Jitsu" most of the time.

It is jūjutsu(the first u is actually uu). So it has to be written as ju-jutsu. I just don't understand why people insist on making up different spellings for that.


Jujutsu is jujutsu. It's the right way to spell it. The kanji of "art" is read as jutsu. But since the letter "u" is pronounced a little narrowly,some western people think of it as "i".

And BJJ is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu(It was probably easier to pronounce it that way for the Brazilians)




So, it's Kenjutsu,Ninjutsu,Jujutsu,Aikijutsu etc.....


Not jitsu


Some people even spell Jujutsu as Jijitsu. And that's a whole other word by itself. Jitsu or jijitsu(they're both used with little different nuances) means "truth". So, when you say "Jitsu wa.." you say something like "Actually...".




P.S: There's nothing called Ichikyu. It's Ikkyu. Ok, I've talked enough.

[Gambatte Karate]

Originally Posted by Norton

P.S: There's nothing called Ichikyu. It's Ikkyu. Ok, I've talked enough.

Thats odd. I have many people in our system who have trained and currently train in Japan. They all say "Ichi Kyu" not "Ikkyu". I suppose it goes along with the name of my school. It all depends on the individual who is SAYING the word. i.e. where they are from on the island, what province and such. It may simply be a dialect thing. Kinda like "you all" and "ya'll" here in the states.

[Norton]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

Thats odd. I have many people in our system who have trained and currently train in Japan. They all say "Ichi Kyu" not "Ikkyu". I suppose it goes along with the name of my school. It all depends on the individual who is SAYING the word. i.e. where they are from on the island, what province and such. It may simply be a dialect thing. Kinda like "you all" and "ya'll" here in the states.

Yeah, the pronunciation depends on the person, I agree with that. But the spelling, when you type, should be authentic.


And yeah, that "ichikyu" thing's probably something with your system. But in the standard kyu-dan system,and in Japanese grammar( I'm not an expert on this btw, I have knowledge of basic grammar, that's all) when you have something that starts with k after ichi, you use ik- instead of ichi.


Not tryin' to be a smartass, just my 2 (or maybe more ) cents.

[Gambatte Karate]

Well, every okinawan system I have seen/visited/been to/trained at, has spelled it "Ichi kyu". Two words, not one. Ichi - one/first Kyu - under blackbelt

Here is a nice site with some definitions: Judo-Info.nl

[Norton]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

Well, every okinawan system I have seen/visited/been to/trained at, has spelled it "Ichi kyu". Two words, not one. Ichi - one/first Kyu - under blackbelt

Here is a nice site with some definitions: Judo-Info.nl

Oh, you should've mentioned that before. The Okinawan language has a different grammar than regular Japanese.. I never thought that this also would be different.

I just learned a new thing right now. Thank you.

[Gambatte Karate]

Me too! I learned my thing for the day! WOO HOOOOO!!!!!!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

Well, every okinawan system I have seen/visited/been to/trained at, has spelled it "Ichi kyu". Two words, not one. Ichi - one/first Kyu - under blackbelt

Here is a nice site with some definitions: Judo-Info.nl

Why is there a Japenese and Brazilain Jiu Jitsu?... The very name describing it is Japanese

[Gambatte Karate]

They are different. Helio Gracie took the Japanese Ju jitsu and modified it. At least thats the way I understand it. When he modified it, it was no longer "Japanese", but it was still Ju jitsu.

[Norton]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Why is there a Japenese and Brazilain Jiu Jitsu?... The very name describing it is Japanese

Well , actually it is Jujutsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I don't think it's necessary to call it "Japanese Ju-jutsu". Jujutsu is already a Japanese thing. It would be like saying "Japanese Karate"


So, I definitely agree with you.