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What are some of simularities and differnces of Aikido, Hapkido and JJJ. Which is more effective in a real situation?
From what I know, Aikido and JJJ are Japanese, and Harpiko is Korean. I don't know much about Harpiko but Aikido was derived from JJJ and it is a soft martial art, compromising of throws and joint locks, where the attacker would not be harmed whereas JJJ is a more violent martial art which comes from the Japanese samurai battlefields, since normal striking would be ineffective against armour, JJJ uses throws and strikes to the joints of armous (which tend to be revealed) such as throat stabs and whatnot.
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We have a former Aikido school owner and instructor with like 15 years of Aikido experience that trains BJJ with us. He once told me that his Aikido training helped him not at all coming into the BJJ training environment and he didn't feel that, looking back, it offered him much in the way of self defense.
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We have a former Aikido school owner and instructor with like 15 years of Aikido experience that trains BJJ with us. He once told me that his Aikido training helped him not at all coming into the BJJ training environment and he didn't feel that, looking back, it offered him much in the way of self defense.
I've heard something similiar from both a Hapkido and a Aikido practionoer. I think it is more the instructors of each art that they studied under. Both guys had an incredibly hard time dealing with energy applied directly on thier center. Its hard for me to beleive that this is something inherent in each art, but more a lacking in training.
I don't think Aikido is gentle. It looks that way because the circular motion looks "nice" to the people who watch and you try not to hurt your working partner at practice. The truth is, all of the techniues are aimed to break or dislocate joints. And , even when practiced gently, they still hurt.
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I don't think Aikido is gentle. It looks that way because the circular motion looks "nice" to the people who watch and you try not to hurt your working partner at practice. The truth is, all of the techniues are aimed to break or dislocate joints. And , even when practiced gently, they still hurt.
Getting thrown to the ground repeatedly has never been my idea of gentle.
Getting thrown to the ground repeatedly has never been my idea of gentle.
And you have to know how to fall forward(mae ukemi) very well. Today, I accidentally slammed my right kidney area on the floor, it was quite hard to continue the training session after that.
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Looking at what the original poster asked, "what would work in a real life situation?" I would go with Hapkido and JJJ, simply because they are more "hard" than just aikido. The thing about real life situations is that they are totally unpredictable and complex manuvers will not work in them. JJJ and BJJ are important for real life because many times a fight or conflict can end up on the ground and if you are skilled in JJJ or BJJ than you will have the upper hand. I once read a story of an Aikido student asking his teacher how he got through a real life altercation and the teacher said "he punched through it and that you can't win with Aikido alone." This goes for all styles, you can't rely on one style or technique because different situations call for different things, if someone grabs a hold of your shirt and tries to pull you or hold on to you than Aikido and in my opinion even more Hapkido will come in handy. And also in a real life situation there is almost never a fight in the sense of two people in stance ready and fighting, it is usually someone pushing you, grabbing you, or throwing a punch unexpectadly. That is why in my opinion when sparring and in competition you are fighting; but in the streets it is pure instinctual self-defense, and the two are VERY different.
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Looking at what the original poster asked, "what would work in a real life situation?" I would go with Hapkido and JJJ, simply because they are more "hard" than just aikido. The thing about real life situations is that they are totally unpredictable and complex manuvers will not work in them. JJJ and BJJ are important for real life because many times a fight or conflict can end up on the ground and if you are skilled in JJJ or BJJ than you will have the upper hand. I once read a story of an Aikido student asking his teacher how he got through a real life altercation and the teacher said "he punched through it and that you can't win with Aikido alone." This goes for all styles, you can't rely on one style or technique because different situations call for different things, if someone grabs a hold of your shirt and tries to pull you or hold on to you than Aikido and in my opinion even more Hapkido will come in handy. And also in a real life situation there is almost never a fight in the sense of two people in stance ready and fighting, it is usually someone pushing you, grabbing you, or throwing a punch unexpectadly. That is why in my opinion when sparring and in competition you are fighting; but in the streets it is pure instinctual self-defense, and the two are VERY different.
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ok this is my neck of the woods lol ok Aikido, you will find a lot of energy and force manipulation, everything is based on circles, say you come to punch i would step outside and bgin to drag you in a circle, as soon as you try to resist back then i move the other way and attack the wrist or throte. It is in fact i would say a misconception that aikido is useless against a real oppenent as the principle ways of using the attackers force allows you to totally manipulate the attackers body. Fluidity is key where movements are all as one. Key things of Aikido - Joint locks, circles
Now Hapkido still follows the same principles of circles etc. however it is still has essences of linear movements compared to aikido. Now some moves are similar however hapkido is a lot more aggressive where you aim to break the bones of your attacker as a part of your defence, for example the wrist or the elbow to put them to the ground, then when they are on the ground proceed to imobilise. Kicks and punches are also key parts of Hapkido, Aikido uses strikes in ways to set up a move, almost as a distraction however in Hapkido some of our moves are simply attacking the throat or attacking the eyes or groin. The kicks are also a key base in Hapkido as it is classed as an art which prepares you for all areas of self defence, whereas aikido is strictly only grappling. Key things of Hapkido - joint locks, kicks, punches, circles(yet not as big as Aikido)
Now i have limited knowledge of jj however just like hapkido and aikido joint locks are used, however jj tends to not use any strikes such as punches or kicks
ok this is my neck of the woods lol ok Aikido, you will find a lot of energy and force manipulation, everything is based on circles, say you come to punch i would step outside and bgin to drag you in a circle, as soon as you try to resist back then i move the other way and attack the wrist or throte. It is in fact i would say a misconception that aikido is useless against a real oppenent as the principle ways of using the attackers force allows you to totally manipulate the attackers body. Fluidity is key where movements are all as one. Key things of Aikido - Joint locks, circles
Now Hapkido still follows the same principles of circles etc. however it is still has essences of linear movements compared to aikido. Now some moves are similar however hapkido is a lot more aggressive where you aim to break the bones of your attacker as a part of your defence, for example the wrist or the elbow to put them to the ground, then when they are on the ground proceed to imobilise. Kicks and punches are also key parts of Hapkido, Aikido uses strikes in ways to set up a move, almost as a distraction however in Hapkido some of our moves are simply attacking the throat or attacking the eyes or groin. The kicks are also a key base in Hapkido as it is classed as an art which prepares you for all areas of self defence, whereas aikido is strictly only grappling. Key things of Hapkido - joint locks, kicks, punches, circles(yet not as big as Aikido)
Now i have limited knowledge of jj however just like hapkido and aikido joint locks are used, however jj tends to not use any strikes such as punches or kicks
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