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Old 07-06-2008, 06:53 AM   #1 (permalink)

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What are some of simularities and differnces of Aikido, Hapkido and JJJ. Which is more effective in a real situation?
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What are some of simularities and differnces of Aikido, Hapkido and JJJ. Which is more effective in a real situation?
From what I know, Aikido and JJJ are Japanese, and Harpiko is Korean. I don't know much about Harpiko but Aikido was derived from JJJ and it is a soft martial art, compromising of throws and joint locks, where the attacker would not be harmed whereas JJJ is a more violent martial art which comes from the Japanese samurai battlefields, since normal striking would be ineffective against armour, JJJ uses throws and strikes to the joints of armous (which tend to be revealed) such as throat stabs and whatnot.
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They are all very different and it's arguable (depends who's arguing) which one is more effective in real situation.

Aikido is considered a gentle art, where you are utilizing the opponents strength and energy and simply redirecting them through.

Hapkido has lots of joint locks and throws similar to those found in Aikido, but also has lots of kicks and punches.

I'm not too familiar with JJ, but the Brazilian version of JJ involves a lot of grappling and submission rather than kicking and punching.
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They are all very different and it's arguable (depends who's arguing) which one is more effective in real situation.

Aikido is considered a gentle art, where you are utilizing the opponents strength and energy and simply redirecting them through.

Hapkido has lots of joint locks and throws similar to those found in Aikido, but also has lots of kicks and punches.

I'm not too familiar with JJ, but the Brazilian version of JJ involves a lot of grappling and submission rather than kicking and punching.
Come to think of it... Do we have an Aikido or Harpiko guy on the forums?
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We have a former Aikido school owner and instructor with like 15 years of Aikido experience that trains BJJ with us. He once told me that his Aikido training helped him not at all coming into the BJJ training environment and he didn't feel that, looking back, it offered him much in the way of self defense.
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We have a former Aikido school owner and instructor with like 15 years of Aikido experience that trains BJJ with us. He once told me that his Aikido training helped him not at all coming into the BJJ training environment and he didn't feel that, looking back, it offered him much in the way of self defense.
I've heard something similiar from both a Hapkido and a Aikido practionoer. I think it is more the instructors of each art that they studied under. Both guys had an incredibly hard time dealing with energy applied directly on thier center. Its hard for me to beleive that this is something inherent in each art, but more a lacking in training.
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I don't think Aikido is gentle. It looks that way because the circular motion looks "nice" to the people who watch and you try not to hurt your working partner at practice. The truth is, all of the techniues are aimed to break or dislocate joints. And , even when practiced gently, they still hurt.
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I don't think Aikido is gentle. It looks that way because the circular motion looks "nice" to the people who watch and you try not to hurt your working partner at practice. The truth is, all of the techniues are aimed to break or dislocate joints. And , even when practiced gently, they still hurt.
Getting thrown to the ground repeatedly has never been my idea of gentle.
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Getting thrown to the ground repeatedly has never been my idea of gentle.


And you have to know how to fall forward(mae ukemi) very well. Today, I accidentally slammed my right kidney area on the floor, it was quite hard to continue the training session after that.
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