I think this guy could pull it off in real life...

[JackG]

Originally Posted by Galaktia

Go to the local boxing club and ask if you can bare hand a single round with one of the experienced boxers.

If you go down in the first 5 seconds, your training hasn't worked.

If you last 10 seconds... you are a dang good fighter.



Although in all seriousness ask some of the local boxing club if they don't mind hitting out at you a few times for you to practise, 9 times out of 10 they'll agree, and more often than not they'll hit you... and dang hard.


I used to train with a person from a boxing club, he didn't even have a national ranking and right from white belt to green belt in karate he kicked my backside left right and centre. Then I started to learn proper hikite use, and proper double movement and I started giving him a few black eyes inbetween getting them myself.

If i only last that long I think MY training has been very ineffective

[Joemoplata]

Looks great, smart choreography and well planned out results. Very effective when your opponent is cooperating.

Completely impractical AS IT IS BEING SHOWN in real life.

Show it in a real sparring sitatuation and then I'll be much more inclined to take it seriously and offer an opinion.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

these can be pulled off. ive seen them pulled off. im assuming this is a promotional demo video. for practical purposes using the compliant partner thing is not gonna make it effective.

the attackers should attack with intention and not just go through the motions. but im sure this aiki-group knows that an is just doing a promo-video.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Shinobi_Kokujin

these can be pulled off. ive seen them pulled off. im assuming this is a promotional demo video. for practical purposes using the compliant partner thing is not gonna make it effective.

the attackers should attack with intention and not just go through the motions. but im sure this aiki-group knows that an is just doing a promo-video.

Of course the individual moves can be pulled off. Many of the finishes he did in there are standard BJJ types of moves (i.e. the omoplata). But the entry points, combinations, and technical details were all way too sloppy to get in a real sparring situation.

PEOPLE DO NOT STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN A FIGHT.

These demo videos always crack me up because the opponent does ONE thing and then the "master" fires off like 20 things in a row while the opponent just sits there. Apparently, human beings in a fight are a lot like a deer caught in the headlights: We're willing to walk out into the road but as soon as we see lights we're done for.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Of course the individual moves can be pulled off. Many of the finishes he did in there are standard BJJ types of moves (i.e. the omoplata). But the entry points, combinations, and technical details were all way too sloppy to get in a real sparring situation.

PEOPLE DO NOT STOP WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN A FIGHT.

These demo videos always crack me up because the opponent does ONE thing and then the "master" fires off like 20 things in a row while the opponent just sits there. Apparently, human beings in a fight are a lot like a deer caught in the headlights: We're willing to walk out into the road but as soon as we see lights we're done for.

people dont fight in real life the way sparring is done either. in sparring your dancing around with no combative intent. mostly just to score points or a KO depending on the type of sparring.

its kinda like throwing stones while living in a glass house. its true that an opponent is not going to stop what they are doing in a fight but im jus lookin at this as a promo thing

because in arts like aikido they dont go full force with moves like that in a sparring type situation because you can cause injuries to your fellow classmates, they exercise control cause the idea is to use it in a combative manner when the need arises

and not a sport competitive manner i.e sparring. your gonna be "clashing" your skills against someone else who might be bigger and stronger and your also giving them your intention and escalating a confrontation. thats

more or less why some budo arts train like that. im not saying the sparring concept is bad. just different fighting philosophies from different camps.

aikido in this instance gets a bad rap cause they tend to lack intention and increasing resistance but theres some schools that have a clue on how to make thier techniques work.

[Superman17]

Originally Posted by Norton

If you get the lock right, what you say is correct. But attackers don't lean their momentum forwardly as much as the guy in the video does,so getting a lock right is not easy.

Isn't Aikido mostly made up of locks and throws?

[Joemoplata]

Actually, I think Aikido is the PERFECT example.

It is universally considered one of the most impractical martial arts to learn. Why?

No sparring.

I will simply say that based on the techniques presented in that particular video that guy would have a very difficult time making any of that work against a resisting opponent. Especially with the finishing techniques that were "submission" oriented. That area happens to be the one area of combat I am the most familiar with so I feel somewhat qualified to critique them.

[WC_Lun]

Many Aikido schools get a bad wrap because thier ideas of fighting is completley impractical and useless when it comes to real fighting. No, not all schools, but the ones that teach or show poor entry and space control techniques just highlight the bad sort of Aikido. You want to see how unrealistic some of this is? Have someone throw a punch at you and try to use wrist control through just one change of direction. It probably isn't going to happen and that is just wrist control, not body control. Yeah it looks cool, but as most of us know, looks isnt what fighting is about.

Yes, Superman, Aikido is mostly about redirection, locks, and throws.

[Joemoplata]

As usual, I agree with WC_Lun.

[Gambatte Karate]

Oh boy....

In this marketing type video, yes, the "attackers are probably SUPPOSED to make it look more realistic than it is.

As for not "offering any resistance" to a self defense technique....Well...That is subjective. If an attacker KNOWS how I am going to react, I'll pay him a million dollars American. (which is probably like $45 Canadian now LOL ) So, if an attacker doesn't know WHAT I am going to do or how I am going to react, it becomes more and more difficult for him to "resist". Some techniques are designed in such a way that the body has no choice but to react a specific way. So in class, a person not offering "resistance" to your technique, is simply a way to keep from being injured for both parties involved. It is also SOMEWHAT realistic in that on the street, since the attacker has no idea how you will react, they have no idea how to react or resist you. If a person throws a punch, the energy is going forward (assuming a straight right punch at the head) if you move out of the way, the punch can not be re-directed like a guided missile.

[Gambatte Karate]

Also, anytime someone teaches you to grab someone's wrist who has punched at you, they are (in MY opinion) filling you full of crap. No-one can grab the punching wrist. (except maybe Chuck Norris. LOL)

[Basho]

Here's my humble take. I won't go so far as to say that none of this would be effective or that it's all martial genius, only that it would have to be tested in sparring, as stated.

As far as catching a fist mid-flight goes, I couldn't do it. But I have caught several after impact and been able to turn them into effective locks.

I think there may be a degree of validity to the claim that an attacker has no idea how you'll react. Especially the ones that are looking to get away without a fight. There aren't that many experienced MAs walking around.

[Superman17]

Originally Posted by Basho

Here's my humble take. I won't go so far as to say that none of this would be effective or that it's all martial genius, only that it would have to be tested in sparring, as stated.

As far as catching a fist mid-flight goes, I couldn't do it. But I have caught several after impact and been able to turn them into effective locks.

Just one question... How useful would it be for after impact?

[Basho]

Originally Posted by Superman17

Just one question... How useful would it be for after impact?

One punch has never knocked me out. And once the lock is established, you can put your enemy in a passive position and end the conflict. If the objective is not to get hit then I guess you make a good point!

[Superman17]

You make a good point