Can Steven Seagal do what he does on film?

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by 03youngd

I did not say i was an expert, i simply said that most of the time an attack is not fully committed, why do you think a punch or kick will come from a guard? Yes they are fully committed when they want to finish the fight however a lot of the times two fighters will punch from the back foot for instance, as if you come forward with the punch the parrying punch will do more damage. In fact you do not need to be an expert to see this in a match, its simply from looking where the centre line of the guy is

Aikido is completely worthless as a martial art together.

I know because I seen it on the TV.

I can play this game too.

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

Well to be honest you should never step through a punch. Meaning if I'm punching with my right hand my right foot stays in the back. To bring it forward does NOT add power this is about the dumbest thing you could do.

[Joemoplata]

For the rest of you who aren't so arrogant to think that you're an expert in something you're not and are actually interested:

MMA does indeed account for "single" attacks. Specific types of these attacks would include:

Haymakers
Flying kneees
"Superman" punch
"Superman" elbow
Spinning reverse punch
Flying kicks of any kind

These are things I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm not even the resident MMA expert. Trianglefromguard would be mucb better at answering this but these are just some of the things I have specifically helped fighters train for.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 03youngd

I did not say i was an expert, i simply said that most of the time an attack is not fully committed, why do you think a punch or kick will come from a guard? Yes they are fully committed when they want to finish the fight however a lot of the times two fighters will punch from the back foot for instance, as if you come forward with the punch the parrying punch will do more damage. In fact you do not need to be an expert to see this in a match, its simply from looking where the centre line of the guy is

I understand what you are saying with this, but it isn't completely accurate. Most punches I see thrown in MMA are thrown from a balanced position, which is fact the correct way to throw the strongest striking technique. When throwing punches if the power is being pulled from the back leg in a balanced stance, it means there is going to be knock out power, relative speaking of coures. That is because the entire body is involved in the strike, pulling power from the ground up. If power comes from the front foot while striking, you might have enough to knock out an opponent, BUT it is a weaker shot. The power you have now is from the energy of your forward movement. This is dangerous in that when this happens, most people have dropped thier defense and broken thier own centerline in an attempt to "chase down" thier opponent and deliver that shot. In fact, most counter punchers in MMA rely on this a lot as the window in which they get thier own knock outs.

So while yes you are correct in that some techniques are thrown to get a response or 'feel a person out' it does sound like you might be a bit confused on how powerful certain strikes are. Perhaps it is just the way in which we are communicating.

[03youngd]

at no point have i said they are not used Joe, do i have to post my own posts again? Actually what i have said is that they are not used frequently and an aikido practictioner can only defend against someone who will only attack with fully committed attacks,and to that matter i have never stated that someone who does aikido is better than an MMA practitioner

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGUARD

Well to be honest you should never step through a punch. Meaning if I'm punching with my right hand my right foot stays in the back. To bring it forward does NOT add power this is about the dumbest thing you could do.

This is absolutley true. Lifting that back leg up disrupts the power of the punch, making it supported by only the shoulder and arm muscles. At the same time if you are crossing in that manner you are opning yourself up for attack. If you are trying to punch while doing this, you have openied up a giant hole in your defense. Basically it is turning on the neon HIT ME sign.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by 03youngd

at no point have i said they are not used Joe, do i have to post my own posts again? Actually what i have said is that they are not used frequently and an aikido practictioner can only defend against someone who will only attack with fully committed attacks,and to that matter i have never stated that someone who does aikido is better than an MMA practitioner

Sure, why don't you go ahead and repost it for me. Wait, I will do it a second time:

Originally Posted by 03youngd

there are very few fully committed single attacks in mma

[03youngd]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Sure, why don't you go ahead and repost it for me. Wait, I will do it a second time:

I meant that there are very few single attacks frequently used in mma

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 03youngd

I meant that there are very few single attacks frequently used in mma

Ack! That is a heavy generalization. As a combat sport combinations are looked on more favorably, but single shot attacks aren't uncommon. Joe has listed 6 of them that I see all the time. I've also seen side kicks and legs kicks used in single attack mode.

[03youngd]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Ack! That is a heavy generalization. As a combat sport combinations are looked on more favorably, but single shot attacks aren't uncommon. Joe has listed 6 of them that I see all the time. I've also seen side kicks and legs kicks used in single attack mode.

communication is a fault on my part here i am talking about fully committed single attacks e.g. a running strike to a single area of the body e.g. a big hammer blow to the head etc.

[Chad]

Does somebody want to give a definition of fully commited attack? I'll start, but my definition will more than likely not be the definition that we go by, but it's a start!


A fully commited attack is a strike with any part of any limb where if the strike misses it's target, the attack follows through as the attacker is unable to stop the momentum.


Very rough draft, probably not truez either, but it is a start mind!

[WC_Lun]

From my experience the closest thing to that is the superman punch. Honestly though, even novices in fighting rarely use the run-at-you and hit you techniques. That goes against the general nature of most human beings. Not neccesarily the attitudes of some people, but what on an instinctual level is safe.

[03youngd]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

From my experience the closest thing to that is the superman punch. Honestly though, even novices in fighting rarely use the run-at-you and hit you techniques. That goes against the general nature of most human beings. Not neccesarily the attitudes of some people, but what on an instinctual level is safe.

Which backs up the point to why aikido will not work in mma

[Chad]

I was also careful to leave out the "makes them go of balance" part as well, because that wouldn't be true, although it does make it a lot easier to PUT them off balance.

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

Who runs and punches at the same time????? This seems so wrong that even meat heads would no better. Like 8 year olds would probably fight like this but not adults.