Tan Tui

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Nah. Tell the folks why Northern deals primarily with long range and Southern with short range......

This is a fallacy. The stances are different which lends itself to different techniques, and yes, there is a reason for this. However, a longfist fighter can fight at short range and a short arm fighter can fight at long range. To think the training is so stunted to be otherwise is ignorant.

If you have something that you want to be said, then say it. I am not your surrogate mouth piece.

[Little Dragon 117]

well now that this thread has gone down the drain in arguments like nearly every other thread now a days on this forum......... i think id like to add something more of value than an argument on "who is a troll and blah blah "

so
anyone have any vids on tan tui? i think im pretty interested in it, reading some of the info on it. any vids or any other info on tan tui such as how and when its used in real combat (if it is used) and or Training Drills?

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by Little Dragon 117

well now that this thread has gone down the drain in arguments like nearly every other thread now a days on this forum......... i think id like to add something more of value than an argument on "who is a troll and blah blah "

so
anyone have any vids on tan tui? i think im pretty interested in it, reading some of the info on it. any vids or any other info on tan tui such as how and when its used in real combat (if it is used) and or Training Drills?

There was an interesting article last year I believe in Qigong Kung fu magazine on tan tui. Its primarily a kicking art so lots of leg strengthening drills and training. Part of what sets it apart from other northern arts is that it is/was practiced primarily by Muslim Chinese, so it is a cultural art. As far as I know it was never adopted for any military use, so combat effectiveness was proven on an individual basis.

[Little Dragon 117]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

There was an interesting article last year I believe in Qigong Kung fu magazine on tan tui. Its primarily a kicking art so lots of leg strengthening drills and training. Part of what sets it apart from other northern arts is that it is/was practiced primarily by Muslim Chinese, so it is a cultural art. As far as I know it was never adopted for any military use, so combat effectiveness was proven on an individual basis.

well thats a good bit of info because i just learned somethign new. i never knew it was mainly practiced by muslim chinese. individual basis? hmmmm well i dont know what tan tui looks like so i cant really make any more comments on it

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

And why, tell the folks, Northern deals primarily with long range and Southern with short range?

Because Chinese Martial Arts aren't summed up by one-liners, adages, and wiki searches.

It's hte mentality behind the hands that really determines it's northernness or southernness.

Almost all southern styles are centerline based styles. The main focus is on protecting the center with straight on strikes. To achieve this, they tend to have limited footwork and very simple hand technques. If you've seen a form that looked athletic, most likely it was northern. Southern forms are much more rooted and stationary.

Watch hung gar, then compare it with other tiger systems. Hung Gar is about the root, stable stances, and powerful strikes. It's not about moving quickly. The hand motions are for maintenance of the centerline. Then watch Wing Chun and Southern Mantis, and White Crane.

Compare that with Longfist. It's very different in the usage and philosophy of the hands.

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by Little Dragon 117

well thats a good bit of info because i just learned somethign new. i never knew it was mainly practiced by muslim chinese. individual basis? hmmmm well i dont know what tan tui looks like so i cant really make any more comments on it

Youtube it. You'll see plenty. Chaquan does have muslim exponents, however Village Longfist is not primarily muslim. Then again, islam is one of the two primary religions in China--but mostly southern china.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Because Chinese Martial Arts aren't summed up by one-liners, adages, and wiki searches.

Yes, it is hard to sum up Chinese Martial Arts for those benign to much myth surrounding them.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

for someone whose style field lists a bunch of Japanese arts....an one from Mortal Kombat cannon. this guy sure has a hardon for Chinese arts

and WTF is mega style Katana-do? is that the art that Tommy from Power Rangers uses?

[Sake Sipper]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Youtube it. You'll see plenty. Chaquan does have muslim exponents, however Village Longfist is not primarily muslim. Then again, islam is one of the two primary religions in China--but mostly southern china.

Do better research troll. You're really just phoning it in here. C'mon, show some effort at least.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by Shinobi_Kokujin

for someone whose style field lists a bunch of Japanese arts....an one from Mortal Kombat cannon. this guy sure has a hardon for Chinese arts

and WTF is mega style Katana-do? is that the art that Tommy from Power Rangers uses?

i was thinking the same thing!

LOL! i was going to ask the same question but did not want to impose.

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by SirokiFighter

i was thinking the same thing!

LOL! i was going to ask the same question but did not want to impose.

Something is lost in the translation from the Japanese. My teacher devised those translations, and as I honor my teacher, I stick with his English versions of the names. Besides, I like how they sound.

Personally, I don't think attacking me and my teacher and our third-language translation of our katas is the proper way to debunk my cogent and clearly reasoned arguments. Perhaps logic is a better choice.

[Sake Sipper]

No, no effort at all. Do you even care about your trolling anymore? C'mon! Step it up!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Something is lost in the translation from the Japanese. My teacher devised those translations, and as I honor my teacher, I stick with his English versions of the names. Besides, I like how they sound.

Personally, I don't think attacking me and my teacher and our third-language translation of our katas is the proper way to debunk my cogent and clearly reasoned arguments. Perhaps logic is a better choice.

Logic is a better choice. However, you had attacked me in the past also.

Shao-lin Kuei, Ninjitsu, Takeshi style Judo Jutsu, Mega-style Katana-do, Atemi Aiki-Jutsu

Your styles you have mentioned seemed more of a spin-off of other styles. Not that there is anything entirely wrong with this, but the way they are presented, lack proper descend or relevance.

For example:

Shaolin Kuei;

If you mean kuei as gui, than this is a menacing spirit.

Judo Jutsu... because the "do" on Judo means art, soe does jutsu...so it is like sasing Jentle Art Art (Though some will say that do also means "way", jutsu is also considered as a "way".)

Katana Do...there is already a "sword art/way"....I wonder if you know what it is...

Atemi Aiki Jutsu would be like saying Stand-up Mixed Martial Arts

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Logic is a better choice. However, you had attacked me in the past also

Shao-lin Kuei, Ninjitsu, Takeshi style Judo Jutsu, Mega-style Katana-do, Atemi Aiki-Jutsu

Your styles you have mentioned seemed more of a spin-off of other styles. Not that there is anything entirely wrong with this, but the way they are presented, lack proper descend or relevance.

For example:

Shaolin Kuei;

If you mean kuei as gui, than this is a menacing spirit..

Exactly. Research the Lin Kuei. Then get back to me. Hey....they might even have a wiki article....since you're a five-minute scholar, give us your thesis here in T-minus 5.....4.....3....

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Judo Jutsu... because the "do" on Judo means art, soe does jutsu...so it is like sasing Jentle Art Art (Though some will say that do also means "way", jutsu is also considered as a "way".)

Well, if you're Japanese and speak japanese, you'd understand that it's not weird to say: "The Way of the Gentle Art". I'm not confined to simple dictionary searches. I can speak full sentences. I also think it's funny to call an art Brazilian Jiujitsu. Maybe they should call it Brazilian interpretations of Japanese Jujitsu? They much dishonor their forebears by honoring themselves. Why Jujitsu, then? Why not The Brazilian Gentle Art. Or, Gracie Gentle Art? They're small differences.

My advice? Get a life.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Katana Do...there is already a "sword art/way"....I wonder if you know what it is...

Indeed, I do.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Atemi Aiki Jutsu would be like saying Stand-up Mixed Martial Arts

Or, it would be like saying......Atemi Aiki Jutsu.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Something is lost in the translation from the Japanese. My teacher devised those translations, and as I honor my teacher, I stick with his English versions of the names. Besides, I like how they sound.

Personally, I don't think attacking me and my teacher and our third-language translation of our katas is the proper way to debunk my cogent and clearly reasoned arguments. Perhaps logic is a better choice.

i never attacked you?

ive just never heard of mega style katana-do? can you please explain it?