Dim Mak

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TOBY

Hello,

I am new to this forum. I am not new to Kung Fu, it is fun to joke around, humor is enjoyable, and, on forum we never know to whom we speak.

Dim Mak is exremely dangerous. It is dying art . It take years of study to understand it, and, to use it properly. As with many of these death blows, they have disappeared.

Toby

Any suffient blow by anything, incuding objects can be deadly. It does take years to study a martial art to understand this.

Maybe in the medical field.....

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by john55

Dim mak is not about a knee to the head or stomping on an opponents head. Please direct me to the source of your information, then I will believe you. If you dont have a source, I will assume its not true. And dont use the old 'my master taught me and its not online argument' Dim mak is based on pressure points, not random combination strikes. It is designed to knock someone out, incapacitate, or kill them with one strike. A knee to the head isnt going after a pressure point.

Go through the forums here, you will many arguments against the strikes you claim to be so effective and deadly. Have you ever tried kneeing someone in the head as they are going for a take down? Its near impossible. As we have discussed on multiple discussions here, you need to first sprawl. As for throat strikes, its a risky shot and a small target. Most parts of the throat can take a good solid shot. Not something most people would want to risk in a fight. As for stomping on someones head thats injured, i mean you could run them over with your car to or do all kinds of stuff when somone is laying on the ground but I think anyone in a SD situation one would run at that point and in MMA, the fight would be over. So why would someone do that again? And how is that dim mak?

Great post...Kudos!

He spoke of living in a fantasy........ I guess he was speaking from experience....

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Any suffient blow by anything, incuding objects can be deadly. It does take years to study a martial art to understand this.

Maybe in the medical field.....

thtis is true.
it doesnt take a MA master to ko someone, with one punch.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

It is against slower and weaker ones. And, taking into consideration my speed and power, that includes just about anyone alive, and many who are dead.

Not that I had anything to do with those deaths, of course.

LOL! This is the absolute best post on this forum, hands down.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by TOBY

Hello,

I am new to this forum. I am not new to Kung Fu, it is fun to joke around, humor is enjoyable, and, on forum we never know to whom we speak.

Dim Mak is exremely dangerous. It is dying art . It take years of study to understand it, and, to use it properly. As with many of these death blows, they have disappeared.

Toby

There is no such thing as the Dim Mak.

Let's all say this together....

There is no such thing as the Dim Mak.

Good. You guys are learning...getting better....slowly we can uprogram the brainwashing that has occured.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

There is no such thing as the Dim Mak.

Let's all say this together....

There is no such thing as the Dim Mak.

Shall we click our heals together and close our eyes while saying this?

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by SirokiFighter

thtis is true.
it doesnt take a MA master to ko someone, with one punch.

When you punch, where do you aim?

Do you aim at, say, his pinky finger?

Or, are you trying to catch his button--the tip of his jaw, because you know it does something to his neck, which affects his spine, which shuts off consciousness in his brain?

Or, if you take a shot at his body, where do you aim?

Do you aim at, say, his rib cage? If you're not wearing gloves, you'd have to be careful about where you hit. And you know a shot to the liver or kidneys is going to do much more damage than some random place.

Just because some idiots who don't understand Dim Mak and only see it as the ART OF DEADLY POKING haven't learned it, and mythologize it, doesn't render it any more ridiculous than you have rendered yourselves in your lack of knowledge, or of knowledge you know, but cannot perceive.

Now lets say you want to inflict pain. Would you throw a random punch at his chest if you had the opening, or would you aim it towards the armpit or underneath the nipple?

Well....I can answer that. You guys would apparently jsut flail about like epileptics, lucky to hit something besides the air.....novices....LOL....

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Actually, it has been proven medically, that a temple strike isnt as deadly as it had been claimed.

And, one can suffer any of these strikes even by non-human objects.

Talk bad? Hmmmn, If look back to many posts/threads on this subject, many martial artists with a sense of realism cannot fully accept Dim Mak.

Edit: many martial artists who don't know a damned thing about Dim Mak. But hey, the Republican party still doesn't accept Evolution, and they can give you a plethora of scientists that will deny global warming.

[John Takeshi]

You guys are so caught up in your own ridiculous notions of Dim Mak and your complete arrogance of ignorance on the subject that you actually believe what a bunch of children think about mythologized Dim Mak represents reality.

It's quite funny, actually.

Why would I strike pressure points? Well, I'm not going to flail around ineffectually to overpower someone stronger. I'm going to pick my shots and set up combinations. You think it's like pecking at a keyboard to string together long, flamboyant sentences.

Not quite. I'll hit you someplace that will cause you to recoil, and lay into you until you hit the ground, cursing the day you crossed someone with ah functional understanding of Dim Mak.

[John Takeshi]

BTW, if kneeing a shooting opponent is so impossible, why is it one of the few rules in every sanctioned MMA fight, along with no downard elbows?

Clearly because MMA sees the need to outlaw ineffective techniques, right?

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by john55

Dim mak is based on pressure points, not random combination strikes. It is designed to knock someone out, incapacitate, or kill them with one strike. A knee to the head isnt going after a pressure point.

And....how many years have you studied Dim Mak, princess?

Oh yeah....you haven't.

Let me give you a lecture on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Or better yet, let me lecture you on that deadly art of Hapkido. I've studied neither, but I think I have a pretty good idea of them, because I've seen them on YouTube and read about them in some cool online forums and Black Belt Magazine....yeah!!!.

Originally Posted by john55

Go through the forums here, you will many arguments against the strikes you claim to be so effective and deadly. Have you ever tried kneeing someone in the head as they are going for a take down? Its near impossible.

And yet, I've done it.

Originally Posted by john55

As we have discussed on multiple discussions here, you need to first sprawl.

To play your game, yes.

Originally Posted by john55

As for throat strikes, its a risky shot and a small target.

Not if I hit you someplace else and get your hands moving. Nobody hits anyone with a one-punch kill, like hey....let's fight. I punch you, you stand there and take it, you die. Rather, you aim as part of your combination, setting up the more damaging shots while gauging the reactions and reaction times of your opponent.

Originally Posted by john55

Most parts of the throat can take a good solid shot.

Hence, you use a smaller striking fist, and you AIM rather than flailing around blindly. They might be able to take one shot, but I guarantee they'll recoil.

Originally Posted by john55

Not something most people would want to risk in a fight.

Edit: Not something someone who hasn't trained Dim Mak would risk.

Originally Posted by john55

As for stomping on someones head thats injured, i mean you could run them over with your car to or do all kinds of stuff when somone is laying on the ground but I think anyone in a SD situation one would run at that point and in MMA, the fight would be over. So why would someone do that again? And how is that dim mak?

Because Asian Martial Arts were arts of the battlefield. We carry on traditions. I wouldn't chop most people up with a broadsword...but go back several generations, and I guarantee my ancestors wouldn't have thought twice about it if engaged in battle. But hey.....try your submissions sometime on the battlefield. I hear they're really cool.

[john55]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

And....how many years have you studied Dim Mak, princess?

Oh yeah....you haven't.

Let me give you a lecture on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Or better yet, let me lecture you on that deadly art of Hapkido. I've studied neither, but I think I have a pretty good idea of them, because I've seen them on YouTube and read about them in some cool online forums and Black Belt Magazine....yeah!!!.

Did you not read the post. I just asked you for some type of proof or even just some reading material that said dim mak was not based on pressure points but rather knees to the head and stuff as you explained.

I have studied dim mak for about 30 minutes of reading that I did online. And guess what, every site said the same thing and none of them even hinted to anything you were referring to. So if I am so misinformed as with everyone else on these forums and the websites that I read, can you please direct us to the correct source of information? Instead of criticizing us as you appear to like to do, maybe you could point us in the right direction???

Maybe what you should do is criticize us some more instead of providing any type of validity to anything you say. That will truly get us to believe you and take you seriously.

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by john55

Did you not read the post. I just asked you for some type of proof or even just some reading material that said dim mak was not based on pressure points but rather knees to the head and stuff as you explained.

LOL...I don't know of anyone that would teach Dim Mak out of a book but someone who didn't understand the art. No wonder you're so misinformed. Seek a master. You probably won't find one, and the ones you'll find aren't masters. It's something you learn without knowing that you're setting out to learn it. It requires discipline, not the idea that you're going to do some research and publish a really neat article with pretty pictures.

Here's proof: Let's say I'm going to hit you with a combination. You throw a jab. I counter the jab by moving off of hte jab to the inside gate, and jabbing right back. It does nothing. You jab again. Again I counter. This time, I land a shot square on your nose. You falter for a second to regather your composure. In that second, rather than throwing a hook and uppercut combination, which I know you can duck, or tuck up to shoot in order to get a breath in and recover....let's say I hit you with a leopard fist to the lower abdomen (probably an illegal shot--but I'm not talking about the groin). Now, you have to have strong wrists to throw this strike, or else you'll break them. Plus, you have to have strength in your off arm and coordination, too---which most of you guys probably have very little of. But, if you've conditioned your wrists, it's no problem. It'll hurt like an MF'er.

Let's demonstrate. Go find a buddy. Punch him in the abdomen. Two days later, hit him with a strong leopard fist to the abdomen. He will hit the deck, because it'll hurt like a mother. The impact is concentrated over a smaller surface area, and if you aim for one of the three major pressure points on the Ren Meridian south of hte belly button, you'll see what I mean.


Okay, so now I've got this shot in to your abdomen. Your reaction will be to cover, if you have any brains, or maybe you hit hte floor because you can't take the shot. While you're either doubling up or falling down, I land a solid shot to your temple with my right. It's lights out, 50-50 chance. If I'm strong enough, your temple actually caves in and you can die. (Note: your temple can actually cave in and not cause a problem sometimes). Chances are, in three or four strikes, I've incapacitated you. Why would I continue to poke you if I could stomp on you, knee you in the head, or walk away? Dim Mak can be the finishing blow, just as a hook can, a jab can, a knee, an elbow, a submission....but you wouldn't throw a hook, to someone's shoulder, would you? Would you knee his knee? Elbow his collar bone? Submit him by trying to dislocate his finger?

It's the art of aiming and knowing reactions. But I'm sure you've done some impressive research.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I have studied dim mak for about 30 minutes of reading that I did online.

I stand in awe of your research powers.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

And guess what, every site said the same thing and none of them even hinted to anything you were referring to.

I get emails all the time from online brokers trying to sell me pills that will increase my manhood's girth. What's your point?

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

So if I am so misinformed as with everyone else on these forums and the websites that I read, can you please direct us to the correct source of information?

Study in the traditional way. Learn some traditional art. Maybe your master knows. Maybe he doesn't. You'll learn it if you need to.

Instead of criticizing us as you appear to like to do, maybe you could point us in the right direction???

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Maybe what you should do is criticize us some more instead of providing any type of validity to anything you say. That will truly get us to believe you and take you seriously.

I don't care if you do or not. You're mind is already made up. You've apparently done some great research and talked to some pretty informed chaps.

Good luck with your life. Be well.

[Ben]

'quotes the matrix'

ahh denial, the most predictable of human responses.

chillout mate, does itreally matter what anyone else thinks?

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

When you punch, where do you aim?

Do you aim at, say, his pinky finger?

Or, are you trying to catch his button--the tip of his jaw, because you know it does something to his neck, which affects his spine, which shuts off consciousness in his brain?

Or, if you take a shot at his body, where do you aim?

Do you aim at, say, his rib cage? If you're not wearing gloves, you'd have to be careful about where you hit. And you know a shot to the liver or kidneys is going to do much more damage than some random place.

Just because some idiots who don't understand Dim Mak and only see it as the ART OF DEADLY POKING haven't learned it, and mythologize it, doesn't render it any more ridiculous than you have rendered yourselves in your lack of knowledge, or of knowledge you know, but cannot perceive.

Now lets say you want to inflict pain. Would you throw a random punch at his chest if you had the opening, or would you aim it towards the armpit or underneath the nipple?

Well....I can answer that. You guys would apparently jsut flail about like epileptics, lucky to hit something besides the air.....novices....LOL....

what are you talking about?

i am not discrediting dim mak, if that is what you think.

and, you know nothing about me. and how i fight.