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Old 04-17-2007, 12:05 PM   #16 (permalink)

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alas the endless argument

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' we learn wing chun.. it is quick and easy to master'
not insulting ur sifu (im guessing this is a chinese sensei) but if it was quick and easy surley you are not mastering it. who agrees>?
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alas the endless argument

well i guess im just reapeating what my sifu said

' we learn wing chun.. it is quick and easy to master'
'we learn shaolin it trains the mind and body to do great things'
'we learn tai chi it is the height of our training as it leads to dragon kung fu, this is a difficult art to master but it is much stronger than the other animals which are external'

it gave me the opinion that internal are better than external.. maybe i read him wrong
You dont learn Shaolin because historically and technically it is not a martial art......
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o yes bring on the contreversy and martialmans hate of the shaolin stuff! please elaborate martialman
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o yes bring on the contreversy and martialmans hate of the shaolin stuff! please elaborate martialman
Shaolin was not created to learn and study martial arts.

True/authentic Shaolin monks are not martial artists.

The propaganda has been set.

I was on the Shaolin thing until I start speaking with many Buddhists and read articles from these people;

http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index....2,1572,0,0,1,0

http://www.spiritualminds.com/articl...articleid=1886

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-2345.html

http://www.therawfeed.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/200508/28229.html

To call a Shaolin monk a martial artist is like calling a Crusader a Savior of Christianity or any other people who do things in the name of religion.
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shaolin temple did have martial artists there but they werent the monks. They were ussally rebel soilders and refugees. The monks learnt through them overtime, but you are correct about shaolin not being about martial arts
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See, the temple was built remotely for a reason....to study the Ch'an/Ch'en way of Buddhism.

If they had not accepted rebels and gave snactuary (which these rebels would be monks in cognito, defending the monks and their sanctuary), the Government would not have destroyed.

There is a period osf dispair and abandonment of Shaolin around the 1900's to 1950's. Bamm!, now all of a sudden there are monks coming out of the woodwork with many claims. Indeed, the Governement realizes financial potential - Shaolin is good business.

Government Official in a nearby village;

"Hey you!" "Old man"

"Do you want to make more than petty peasant/farmer wages?'

"Put these orange robes on, shave your head, and here are some old documents"

"You are now a Offical Shaolin Monk"
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yea the one sthat made fighting styles ussally were in disguise as monks there Ng mui for example pretended to be a nun there when she was actually a taoist and had already learned martial arts from her father.
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yea the one sthat made fighting styles ussally were in disguise as monks there Ng mui for example pretended to be a nun there when she was actually a taoist and had already learned martial arts from her father.
You know, according to some revered Vsing Tsun masters, it is speculated that she did not exist.

Interesting article;

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i've read that article before it very well may be true but most people wont accept it. If it is a coverup it is a very good one because you can trace Ng Mui all the way down the william cheung and the rest of Yip Mans students.
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i've read that article before it very well may be true but most people wont accept it. If it is a coverup it is a very good one because you can trace Ng Mui all the way down the william cheung and the rest of Yip Mans students.

But as anything of so long ago, tales are created to sound more interesting for entertainment via a raconteur, the only sources back then.

Putting aside the romanticism and thinking logically, will have one accept it. However, there are those who are so steadfast to a belief, that anything else that comes along with comtroversy/contradiction, becomes a act of denial.

See, I was into that Shaolin Monk thing, and upon speaking with many other people, and a lot of Buddhists, it would seem to be a unlikely position for a monk of that order.
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Of course martial man your claims are not completely unrue

however id like to point out the we live in a western world that currently fears chinas growing power so anti china media is high

Ive trained under a shaolin monk

he was not fake and he was not old

my entire sytem is based on what the shaolin monks have taught us and its not unneffective

bearing in mind that shaolin accepted mighty warriors from every religion to train in their temple
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how do you know?
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Just because someone is old and lays claim to something doesnt make it true....however many instructors have a bonefide heritage not shrouded by mystery. They do not have to link themselves to something for namesake.

A Shaolin monk nowadays cannot possibly demonstrate true authenticity. To understand what I mean, the answer is in Buddhism.
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how do you know your sifu is not fake
he would be very fake if he called himself "sifu" since he is teaching japanese MA. my sensei doesn't make claims like being a shaolin monk etc i seen and felt his throws and locks there excellent. I have Grappled with him once at got my arse handed to me.

Please answer my question
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