Dim-Mak is real

[Dan]

I read an earlier thread on dim-mak and it upset me that there wasn't anyone who really believed in it. It is very much a real art which is veiled in the subtle moves of Yang style tai-chi chuan, especially the Yang Lu-Chan form(don't know about other styles so I will not comment on them). The slow forms where designed to fool people back in feudal china so that no-one would steal their great art and use it against them. Dim mak points are the same as acupuncture but they are different in the way they affect the flow of chi. Acupuncture works on the outer flow whereas dim-mak works on the inner flow and different strikes performed in different directions and strengths will do different things. These same points can also be used to heal. My teachers have direct lineage back to Yang Lu-Chan and I have seen and felt some amazing things through various applications of the forms. We must remember that the slow forms are not the way to fight, they are an abstract way of teaching the body how to move correctly, subconciously so as to extract as much power as possible to enable a person to hit abnormally hard and with chi transference. That is how most of these points work. They are like fuses, you take out one which makes others more vulnerable, eg, you can hit someone on the arm on heart points to drain the energy from stomach points on the neck which govern the blood pressure making the body think that the pressure it too high so it shuts down the heart. There are so many variations it is unbelievable.
There are a lot a lot of charlatans out there who say they can do this but cant. Some of the points are so easy to use that people will learn a few moves to knock people out easily or use tricks like leaning on spears or swords with their necks and open schools on the premace they are Dim-Mak masters and that is why there are so many watered dowm styles of tai-chi, dim-mak so people don't get to feel the true essence of what is supposed to be happening.
The healing benefits are unreal as well but I will stop now as I could keep typing all night. I dont know of any other art that is so complete. I may be a bit biased

[Chapel]

Medical explanations for Dim Mak are welcome as few will have ground to stand on to disagree. Magical explanations... not so much.

At least this goes along with what Jalek said a while back:

Dim Mak artists are like evil acupuncturists

Anyway, don't be shy about explaining stuff behind your art, especially if you feel that the majority of people here (I am probably included in this majority) don't have a clue about what your art is all about.

[Dan]

I hope my explanations weren't too magical. Here's another one. Delayed Death Touch is both delayed and immediate because it can cause death either immediately or up to seven years later. Depending on how the point is struck, it can cause the slow disintegration of the carotid artery which will eventually end in stroke.
Also, ever heard of people dying after being hit in the chest with a ball and dropping down dead? Conceptor vessel 14. Can't even be needled in acupuncture. It is probably the most forbidden.
Anyone interested should get a copy of the Dim-Mak Encylclopedia by Erle Montaigue. It details every point and their uses martial and healing. You can even download it free from Erle's website.

[disgruntled]

Originally Posted by Dan

I hope my explanations weren't too magical. Here's another one. Delayed Death Touch is both delayed and immediate because it can cause death either immediately or up to seven years later. Depending on how the point is struck, it can cause the slow disintegration of the carotid artery which will eventually end in stroke.

i will give you deadly strikes because yes a correct strick can disrupt the heart/damage the brain/stop blood flo..... but a delayed affect??? i need some evidence of this.

shamans have been known to kill with curses in a delayed effect, but that is because the person so believe that they were going to die from the curse that the stress leads to a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Chapel]

-Rep to Disgruntled for stealing what I was going to say.

Dan, that's a good resource. I'll check that out.
(I do believe that people can be killed from strikes to the chest like that, however that has more to do with the heart compressing when it should be relaxing and losing rhythm. That's why it can't be accupunctured, because it is based on blunt force.)

Edit:
Found the book. To help other here are the ISBN numbers:
# ISBN-10: 0873649230
# ISBN-13: 978-0873649230

[super ninja]

Hi dan whats the name of the web site.

[Shirindo]

Originally Posted by super ninja

Hi dan whats the name of the web site.

Yes please, would like to read more before making any decisions

[Dan]

The website is Tai Chi World Erle Montaigue There is a whole heap of great stuff on there and free downloads. I can't give you any proof but have done qi disruptions to people and they have worked and they work on the same principal. It's not magic, its a natural phenomenon.
My brother in particular was a big sceptic and when I done it to him and it worked you should have seen the look on his face. I must say too that I was surprised even though I believed it would work. It was cool
Also I had a different one done on me and it worked. Have tried the disruption on another person and it worked then too.
Apparently in the old days the masters would pay guards to give them baddies so they could try their point strikes on them so they know which points do what to and in which combination.

[dasher43]

i am glad that you have joined this forum dan i love tai chi but i never really new what to expect of it. you seem to have great knowledge of the martial art looking forward to seeing lots of information about it. can i ask you were on the website i can find the dim mak encyclopedia

[sirdarksol]

Whether or not any of this works, I can't say. As Chapel said, I don't have experience, so I don't have any ground to stand on. I am probably less of a skeptic than many people around here, but I'm still wary, because I've seen too many people claim to be able to do too many impossible things only to be proven wrong.

However, if we presume for a moment that it does work, I think it is eminently irresponsible of a man to mass-publish a book that allows anyone to learn to have a weapon without having the ethical, moral, or spiritual training/judgement regarding its use.

In traditional training, a sensei/sifu/whatever would judge whether or not an artist was of solid enough character to be allowed to learn the most destructive techniques of a style. This was not foolproof, but is better than "if you can afford the $75 (or whatever), you must be a good enough chap to learn this."

[Dan]

Originally Posted by dasher43

i am glad that you have joined this forum dan i love tai chi but i never really new what to expect of it. you seem to have great knowledge of the martial art looking forward to seeing lots of information about it. can i ask you were on the website i can find the dim mak encyclopedia

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

Whether or not any of this works, I can't say. As Chapel said, I don't have experience, so I don't have any ground to stand on. I am probably less of a skeptic than many people around here, but I'm still wary, because I've seen too many people claim to be able to do too many impossible things only to be proven wrong.

However, if we presume for a moment that it does work, I think it is eminently irresponsible of a man to mass-publish a book that allows anyone to learn to have a weapon without having the ethical, moral, or spiritual training/judgement regarding its use.

In traditional training, a sensei/sifu/whatever would judge whether or not an artist was of solid enough character to be allowed to learn the most destructive techniques of a style. This was not foolproof, but is better than "if you can afford the $75 (or whatever), you must be a good enough chap to learn this."

Go to the free downloads page. There's not as much as there used to be because people were abusing the site but there is still some good free stuff there. If you've got questions, post them and I will do my best to answer them.
I am lucky to have great teachers but if I had the money I would buy as much stuff as I could.
In regards to irresponsibility of Erle, he published these works because people were going out and using the strikes in demonstrations to show off how good they are. They strikes are dangerous and should be treated as such so a little bit of information was more dangerous than a lot.
I think you'll find that most of these methods are quite difficult to achieve without sufficient internal training and qi development
I have never tried to kill or hurt anyone and neither has anyone training in this stuff that I have heard of. If you wanted to kill someone it's a lot easier to go out and get a gun and shoot them rather than to train for 10-20 years to be a Dim-Mak expert.
To be honest it scares me that I might have to use this stuff one day but as the old saying goes its better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by dasher43

i am glad that you have joined this forum dan i love tai chi but i never really new what to expect of it. you seem to have great knowledge of the martial art looking forward to seeing lots of information about it. can i ask you were on the website i can find the dim mak encyclopedia

Sorry the Encyclopedia is not free but there is a point location book to keep you going for a while. Free download link is Tai Chi Bagua Qigong

[Dan]

If anyone is really interested this stuff, don't take my word for it, there are WTBA instructors (World Taiji Boxing Association) all around the world. You can find them on taijiworld as well. I have never met any of these instructors but if they are as good as mine then you'll find what you're looking for.
I just want to add to that I joined this forum in the hope of finding people doing the same style and to learn about other styles. I am not an emissary for the WTBA and I'm not trying to convert or say my art is better than anyone elses, am just trying to let people know that there is more to taiji than people have been lead to believe. That being said, it is the Supreme Ultimate! lol

[TKDaddict]

thats really good info thanks

[TurningPoint]

Dan, if it makes you feel any better, I have seen this first hand. I can't get into too much detail, but I have seen Dim Mak used on a few occasions. An x-friend of mine's uncle was a martial artist, had a falling out with a local guy in town, and he hit the guy in the chest in a lethal strike. He knocked the guy back but the guy just brushed it off an left. About 6 days later the guy fell into a coma. The doctor didn't know what was happening except for he said that the guy's body was dying, like the organs were starting to break down one by one, but there was no reason why. The guy died a few days later. There are also some medical techniques that utilize a variation of this method, you just have to find them. Sorry I can't get into more detail, but I believe you.