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Chinese Martial ArtsDiscuss Chinese style Martial Arts here - Chinese Kempo, Kung Fu, Jeet Kune Do, Pa Kua Chang, San Shou, Tai Chi, Wing Chun, Wushu
Good morning 47MartialMan;
I'm starting to Enjoy your Sense of Hummer More and More
But, what you seem to be saying is (Don't confuse me with the Facts, my Mind is Made Up) Your Own Style, that you have listed (Hapkido) HAS PRESSURE POINT APPLICATIONS
And sense Youve stated that you are training in the Fine Art of "Hapkido", but your Skeptic of the use of Pressure Points, is like saying I'm learning how to Drive a Car, but the dame thing isn't going anywhere
I have given you Some Great Sources, that Would Erase Your Skepticism - All that You have to Do is just Dig Three Feet Deeper, and You Will Find the Gold
Good morning 47MartialMan;
I'm starting to Enjoy your Sense of Hummer More and More
But, what you seem to be saying is (Don't confuse me with the Facts, my Mind is Made Up) Your Own Style, that you have listed (Hapkido) HAS PRESSURE POINT APPLICATIONS
And sense Youve stated that you are training in the Fine Art of "Hapkido", but your Skeptic of the use of Pressure Points, is like saying I'm learning how to Drive a Car, but the dame thing isn't going anywhere
I have given you Some Great Sources, that Would Erase Your Skepticism - All that You have to Do is just Dig Three Feet Deeper, and You Will Find the Gold
Hey..it isn't about the points of driving the car, but the intrique as if driving this particular car is better than another....
With respect-Your great sources are only great to you.
I can provide sources in the opposite....
Chi and Dim Mak has been the "Great Debate" for decades.....like Religion and Atheism.....
(Hapkido had pressure points....but the term is not as intriquing...basically it was human mechanics explined through modern medical explanations)
I was on the Chi/Dim Mak/Monks watching animals/Bodhi/Shaolin bandwagon.....as well as the "born-again Christioan (no offense to Christians as well)
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
What is this for... seems like a waste of time. I am a lil more than skeptical.
Well I study alittle bit of Dim Mak myself, their isn't all that much mystery to the art. Dim Mak takes 3 forms, Blood Dim Mak, Nerve Dim Mak & Chi Dim Mak.
Blood Dim Mak, focus on hitting nerve plexus throughout the body along artery, ligament grab points. Nerve dim mak, focus on pressure points, and nerve plexuses alone that do not effect arterial blood flow. Chi Dim Mak, the most overrated and mystified aspect of Dim Mak pressure point striking. The Chi dim mak is basically misusing the arts of acupuncture & acupressure.
Anyone who turns Dim Mak into a super mystical magical martial art is full of something. MOst master of Dim Mak, are also and have to be, educated in Chinese Herbism, Acupuncture & Acupressure medicines if not they aren't a Master or even qualified to teach Dim Mak to others. Especially since Dim Mak is a Proversion of acupuncture anyway.
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Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
Well I study alittle bit of Dim Mak myself, their isn't all that much mystery to the art. Dim Mak takes 3 forms, Blood Dim Mak, Nerve Dim Mak & Chi Dim Mak.
Blood Dim Mak, focus on hitting nerve plexus throughout the body along artery, ligament grab points. Nerve dim mak, focus on pressure points, and nerve plexuses alone that do not effect arterial blood flow. Chi Dim Mak, the most overrated and mystified aspect of Dim Mak pressure point striking. The Chi dim mak is basically misusing the arts of acupuncture & acupressure.
Anyone who turns Dim Mak into a super mystical magical martial art is full of something. MOst master of Dim Mak, are also and have to be, educated in Chinese Herbism, Acupuncture & Acupressure medicines if not they aren't a Master or even qualified to teach Dim Mak to others. Especially since Dim Mak is a Proversion of acupuncture anyway.
Actually, it is not a sole art (martial). The very Chinese wording is not to suggest. It would seem to be more in ties with folklore medicine than martial art.
It would seem that there is a separation as you state Blood Dim Mak is hitting "nerve", Chi Dim Mak, seems to be a hodge podge word as it is unlikey that both are introduced to be the same thing. In accordance to the statement, it pertains to nerve as well.
To claim more than one method or types of Dim Mak, is going beyond what it actually is. It is a romantcism of something that is basic.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Actually, it is not a sole art (martial). The very Chinese wording is not to suggest. It would seem to be more in ties with folklore medicine than martial art.
It would seem that there is a separation as you state Blood Dim Mak is hitting "nerve", Chi Dim Mak, seems to be a hodge podge word as it is unlikey that both are introduced to be the same thing. In accordance to the statement, it pertains to nerve as well.
To claim more than one method or types of Dim Mak, is going beyond what it actually is. It is a romantcism of something that is basic.
Well the technical terms is often Dim -X for the various types of Dim Mak. Erle Montihue, I know I mispelled it, and several other Grandmaster's of Kung-fu & Dim Mak all teach this. The acupuncture derivitive is offically refered to as Dim Mak, but one must learn the blood and nerve methods first.
__________________
My Personal Mantra:
Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
Well the technical terms is often Dim -X for the various types of Dim Mak. Erle Montihue, I know I mispelled it, and several other Grandmaster's of Kung-fu & Dim Mak all teach this. The acupuncture derivitive is offically refered to as Dim Mak, but one must learn the blood and nerve methods first.
With due respect, and no offense, not to go "against the grain", most of these Dim Mak teachers have a common primary goal-"intrique and marketing"
Dim Mak, correctly Dian (point) Mai (vein), or Jìng Mai, Dian Xue Guan, meaning "to point at veins". Explaining the areas of arteries and/or veins, was more about blood, than nerves. Though some of the points effected nerves.
Though its history is sketchy, it is generally thought of as a medical creation upon its introduction more than a martial art application. It was common that Chinese Dai Fu (yi shi ) became good and well-known martial artists. It was more uncommon that martial artists studied long and well enough to become grand yi shi.
Knowing these points, as well as where, when, and how to strike them, is quite the undertaking in order to use them effectively in a fight. Though some are, but are no diferent than being struck with a object accidently in the same area. (It is more plausable and effective to use them as they were introduced, for medical applications)
For example, accupuncture. It is highly unlikely that needles could be used in modern fisticuff fast enough for accuracy on a opponent.
I never known, in accordance to my Chinese sources, that accupuncture is Dim Mak, though sharing the concept of points/meridians seem to have people blending them together.
IMHO, to learn these concepts is a waste of time for a martial artist, unless they were going to go all the way and learn them for medical reason, of its original intention.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Last edited by 47MartialMan; 10-25-2007 at 08:47 AM.
No your quite right, acupuncture is not Dim Mak. Of course I said Dim Mak was acupuncture derived. Meaning, Dim Mak addresses the vital points of acupuncture and acupressure, uses the same chi-lines, hours of chi curculation and maridians of acupuncture.
The idea of Dim Mak, is that it was simply a perversion of Chinese Medicine and Kung-fu. The study of blood flow, medically uses viens and arteries to slow or stop bleeding, it also uses the nerves around the same viens and arteries, which tell the brain to cause swelling in the extrimities to cause temperary shock symtoms in the individual who the target points are struct in. Nerve based pressure point striking is more in treating injures by causes numbness in a localized area, so that one could apply stitches and such without needing drugs. Like the blood art its a misuse of medicial knowledge.
The Chi based study is directly derived from Acupructure and acupressure, and is extremely complicated as iot requires certains points to be struct as specific times of day and at specific angles to cause a desired effect. It's rewiring a computer circuit to burn out over time.
I actually agree with you that allot of people use the term Dim Mak, to cause "intrique and marketing." In may case the man that I'm studying under had gradutaion form UCLA in Western Premed and Studying Chinese Medcine and Herbs in Hong Kong. His Professer in Hong Kong was also a Wing Chun Sifu and that were he picked up the Dim Mak from. Basically when he started learning Wing Chun, his Sifu/Professer told him that the advanced classes for his students used the same practices of Acupuncture & Acupressure.
I'm not getting any formal training with him, so I don't want to run around calling myself a Master of Dim Mak or anything like that. But as I said befroe this is may understanding of the art itself...
__________________
My Personal Mantra:
Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
No your quite right, acupuncture is not Dim Mak. Of course I said Dim Mak was acupuncture derived. Meaning, Dim Mak addresses the vital points of acupuncture and acupressure, uses the same chi-lines, hours of chi curculation and maridians of acupuncture.
The idea of Dim Mak, is that it was simply a perversion of Chinese Medicine and Kung-fu. The study of blood flow, medically uses viens and arteries to slow or stop bleeding, it also uses the nerves around the same viens and arteries, which tell the brain to cause swelling in the extrimities to cause temperary shock symtoms in the individual who the target points are struct in. Nerve based pressure point striking is more in treating injures by causes numbness in a localized area, so that one could apply stitches and such without needing drugs. Like the blood art its a misuse of medicial knowledge.
The Chi based study is directly derived from Acupructure and acupressure, and is extremely complicated as iot requires certains points to be struct as specific times of day and at specific angles to cause a desired effect. It's rewiring a computer circuit to burn out over time.
I actually agree with you that allot of people use the term Dim Mak, to cause "intrique and marketing." In may case the man that I'm studying under had gradutaion form UCLA in Western Premed and Studying Chinese Medcine and Herbs in Hong Kong. His Professer in Hong Kong was also a Wing Chun Sifu and that were he picked up the Dim Mak from. Basically when he started learning Wing Chun, his Sifu/Professer told him that the advanced classes for his students used the same practices of Acupuncture & Acupressure.
I'm not getting any formal training with him, so I don't want to run around calling myself a Master of Dim Mak or anything like that. But as I said befroe this is may understanding of the art itself...
Fair enough. My major points are;
* The majority of Dim Mak teachers have a common primary goal-"intrique and marketing"
* Dim Mak is not a common or huge nesscessity for martial arts.
* Dim Mak is explanable via medical study.
* Dim Mak is not so mysitical (like a delayed death touch)
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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