Is Shaolin Do for real?

[JadeDragon]

Unfortunitely yes it is. I couldn't help but notice that there was another thread titled something about "need help with Shaolin". There was a post on it that made me want to start this thread. Someone named Little Dragon mentioned he was going to check out a Shaolin Do school. You may do as you wish but let me tell you a little bit about Shaolin Do. Its founder is Sin The' who claims to be the grandmaster of the system. I've heard stories about him that he self promoted himself (I don't know if this is true or not though). He supposedely was given this title by Greatgrandmaster I Chang Ming. I find it funny though that he left for China a 8th degree and came back 2 months later a 10th degree black belt and the new Grandmaster. I Chang Ming had died so know one could really verify any of this. His schools all wear Japanese Gi's. They wear the Japanese Belts. They use Japanese terminology such as dojo and sensei. Grandmaster Sin is from Indonesia. He has over 100 schools world wide. It's basically a McDojo operation. Grandmaster Sin claims to know and have mastered over 600+ forms. Thats unbelievable!!!! I'll let you make your own mind about this Shaolin Do art. If interested please google it and do some research for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about it.

[sannin227]

Originally Posted by JadeDragon

Unfortunitely yes it is. I couldn't help but notice that there was another thread titled something about "need help with Shaolin". There was a post on it that made me want to start this thread. Someone named Little Dragon mentioned he was going to check out a Shaolin Do school. You may do as you wish but let me tell you a little bit about Shaolin Do. Its founder is Sin The' who claims to be the grandmaster of the system. I've heard stories about him that he self promoted himself (I don't know if this is true or not though). He supposedely was given this title by Greatgrandmaster I Chang Ming. I find it funny though that he left for China a 8th degree and came back 2 months later a 10th degree black belt and the new Grandmaster. I Chang Ming had died so know one could really verify any of this. His schools all wear Japanese Gi's. They wear the Japanese Belts. They use Japanese terminology such as dojo and sensei. Grandmaster Sin is from Indonesia. He has over 100 schools world wide. It's basically a McDojo operation. Grandmaster Sin claims to know and have mastered over 600+ forms. Thats unbelievable!!!! I'll let you make your own mind about this Shaolin Do art. If interested please google it and do some research for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about it.

Most of this has been stated before.

[John Takeshi]

Originally Posted by JadeDragon

Unfortunitely yes it is. I couldn't help but notice that there was another thread titled something about "need help with Shaolin". There was a post on it that made me want to start this thread. Someone named Little Dragon mentioned he was going to check out a Shaolin Do school. You may do as you wish but let me tell you a little bit about Shaolin Do. Its founder is Sin The' who claims to be the grandmaster of the system. I've heard stories about him that he self promoted himself (I don't know if this is true or not though). He supposedely was given this title by Greatgrandmaster I Chang Ming. I find it funny though that he left for China a 8th degree and came back 2 months later a 10th degree black belt and the new Grandmaster. I Chang Ming had died so know one could really verify any of this. His schools all wear Japanese Gi's. They wear the Japanese Belts. They use Japanese terminology such as dojo and sensei. Grandmaster Sin is from Indonesia. He has over 100 schools world wide. It's basically a McDojo operation. Grandmaster Sin claims to know and have mastered over 600+ forms. Thats unbelievable!!!! I'll let you make your own mind about this Shaolin Do art. If interested please google it and do some research for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about it.

Perhaps he was simply acknowledging that Japanese arts are superior to the Chinese? I'm not saying they are; I'm just restating a very popular and scientifically proven notion.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Perhaps he was simply acknowledging that Japanese arts are superior to the Chinese? I'm not saying they are; I'm just restating a very popular and scientifically proven notion.

troll score 1 0f 10...not even humorous.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

troll score 1 0f 10...not even humorous.

lol. a little humorous.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by John Takeshi

Perhaps he was simply acknowledging that Japanese arts are superior to the Chinese? I'm not saying they are; I'm just restating a very popular and scientifically proven notion.

Lol, hilarious!

[Torre]

More like pathetic.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Torre

More like pathetic.

why?, I think he was jking, and If he wasnt, well he starting an interesting debate.

besides, what he is saying may be partially true.

[Torre]

For some reason I don't think he was joking. I recall him calling chinese arts primitive before.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Torre

For some reason I don't think he was joking. I recall him calling chinese arts primitive before.

well that is a little unfair, afterall it is usually the sudent not the style, that said chineese martial arts on the whole take longer to master than thier japaneese, korean and thai counterparts.

Plus the chineese martial arts do get thier asses kicked in competetion. So his statment may bear some truth.

[Torre]

In modern MMA competitions, pretty much all traditional styles get owned, japanese or chinese. So that's not really a valid argument. But let's not turn this into such a debate

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Torre

In modern MMA competitions, pretty much all traditional styles get owned, japanese or chinese. So that's not really a valid argument. But let's not turn this into such a debate

Tempting as it is to argue with you, your right thats for another day.

As for the shaolin, in my experience unless your in a shaolin temple in china, then your probably being taught wushu, not shaolin martial arts.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by JadeDragon

Unfortunitely yes it is. I couldn't help but notice that there was another thread titled something about "need help with Shaolin". There was a post on it that made me want to start this thread. Someone named Little Dragon mentioned he was going to check out a Shaolin Do school. You may do as you wish but let me tell you a little bit about Shaolin Do. Its founder is Sin The' who claims to be the grandmaster of the system. I've heard stories about him that he self promoted himself (I don't know if this is true or not though). He supposedely was given this title by Greatgrandmaster I Chang Ming. I find it funny though that he left for China a 8th degree and came back 2 months later a 10th degree black belt and the new Grandmaster. I Chang Ming had died so know one could really verify any of this. His schools all wear Japanese Gi's. They wear the Japanese Belts. They use Japanese terminology such as dojo and sensei. Grandmaster Sin is from Indonesia. He has over 100 schools world wide. It's basically a McDojo operation. Grandmaster Sin claims to know and have mastered over 600+ forms. Thats unbelievable!!!! I'll let you make your own mind about this Shaolin Do art. If interested please google it and do some research for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm curious as to what everyone else thinks about it.

I tend to be jaded when ever spmething or someone come forth and mentions the name "Shaolin" in their art or practices.

[Militis]

I study an art called Shaolin Kempo Karate. We where karate gis and use japanese terms like dojo. Supposedly Grandmaster Fred Villari went around the world, got a bunch of really good styles, and combined them to make the four ways of fighting: Kicking, striking, felling, and grappling.

We use the 5 Shaolin animals: Snake, Crane, Leopard, Tiger, and Dragon. We have 108 Combonations, a thousand kempo techniques, and practical defence in every way. I know 10 forms right now, and I know that the high ranking black belts know way more forms than I do.

So I know there is a lot of valid stuff in my art, but is naming it Shaolin wrong? We do a lot of stuff from so many different styles. Our master seems to know a LOT.

I was always proud to say, "I do Shaolin Kempo", but after being on this forum for a while, I have come to just say "martial arts". It is like now I am ashamed to say I am apart of "Shaolin" because so many people here have said it is just a money making scheme or something like that.

So we have a completely legit art with seemingly unlimited material, and it has a name that people think is fake?

Someone please explain to me whether or not I can say I am a student of Shaolin Kempo proudly or not. It seems like if I did, I would just get cut down and told that I am not legit.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by Militis

I study an art called Shaolin Kempo Karate. We where karate gis and use japanese terms like dojo. Supposedly Grandmaster Fred Villari went around the world, got a bunch of really good styles, and combined them to make the four ways of fighting: Kicking, striking, felling, and grappling.

We use the 5 Shaolin animals: Snake, Crane, Leopard, Tiger, and Dragon. We have 108 Combonations, a thousand kempo techniques, and practical defence in every way. I know 10 forms right now, and I know that the high ranking black belts know way more forms than I do.

So I know there is a lot of valid stuff in my art, but is naming it Shaolin wrong? We do a lot of stuff from so many different styles. Our master seems to know a LOT.

I was always proud to say, "I do Shaolin Kempo", but after being on this forum for a while, I have come to just say "martial arts". It is like now I am ashamed to say I am apart of "Shaolin" because so many people here have said it is just a money making scheme or something like that.

So we have a completely legit art with seemingly unlimited material, and it has a name that people think is fake?

Someone please explain to me whether or not I can say I am a student of Shaolin Kempo proudly or not. It seems like if I did, I would just get cut down and told that I am not legit.

Militis, this is only my opinion and please take it as such, but think about this. If your art is composed of many different styles from around the world, why take the name Shaolin? If it is Shaolin, then it should have the hallmarks of that system. Shaolin Kempo has some of those hallmarks, but not others. There is only one reason I can think of to take the name Shaolin when you are not Shaolin kung fu, and that is to apear to make the system seem to be something it is not. This is not an arguement of whether Kempo is an adequate system in itself and I want to make that clear. However, some people will judge what you do harshly because of the inconsistancies within the art and its' name.