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Chinese Martial ArtsDiscuss Chinese style Martial Arts here - Chinese Kempo, Kung Fu, Jeet Kune Do, Pa Kua Chang, San Shou, Tai Chi, Wing Chun, Wushu
Kung Fool. Actually this could be placed in any section regarding skill.
I often read and hear people state they study Kung Fu. I ask them what kind, Karate, Judo, Tae Kwon Do, Knitting, Pottery, ....the look on their faces is as Master Card would display - "PRICELESS"
I tried to get others views on Kung Fu. In terms of what is it. And per its actual study. In my many years as a martial artist, studying a few arts, and Kung Fu.
I don’t think many truly grasp it.
People tend to think of it as a separate martial art. A quasi religious based one, or even a hardcore traditional art.
People tend to seek out instructors of it, per also based on legend or mythological. And that these very instructors, ether by being misled themselves or looking to mislead others, accept such.
As far as “tradition” goes, per bowing, uniforms, learning a language and or culture, it is a fine way to broaden one’s character. However, this tradition should not include archaic methods and ideas that are based upon hyperbolize conditions.
Every once in awhile, a true practitioner of Chinese Quan Fa comes along, knowing that their art isn’t Kung fu and that Kung Fu is surrounded my too much fantasy. These practitioners have a range of study from stand up striking to ground tactics. They also realize that they have to study other martial arts with other martial artists in order to better themselves and learn more. They know well that a complete study is at hand.
What is your thought on this?
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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Just like any other art, Chinese martial arts have thier share of people who try to make it and themselves look better by making it seem something it is not. Its not mystical, fanstasy, magic, or anything like that. Its science based on the human body and fighting. MM47, just out of curiosity, why do you single out Chinese martial arts so much?
I don't think he is by any means focusing on whether Chinese martial arts are any more or less effective then anything else. The point he is trying to make is there is no martial art that is called Kung Fu. Kung Fu or Gung Fu translates as through time and hard work one can obtain skill. You could literally have the kung fu of playing piano or cooking. Chinese martial arts correctly should be classified as Quan Fa (fist art) Wu Shu (matial art) since wu shu has been identified greatly with the performance art of modern wu shu the term Guo Shu or Kuo Shu (combat art) has been added to differ between the two. MM47's point is if you do Kung Fu are you really doing a martial art or just being suckered in. i.e. I had a guy stop training with me to do Kung Fu and I asked him how kung fu was going and he answered back very irritated it's gung fu not kung fu. I was like ok enjoy your idiocy.
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This is something he's posted on many times. If its kung fu, gung fu, chuan fa, wu shu, or particularly ...wait for it...Shaolin, 47MM has a lot of negative to say about it. Maybe its just me and I notice if more being a kung fu guy.
kung fu, gung fu, same thing just different language. Mandarin vs Cantonese. Anyone that gets thier panties in a wad about which it is needs to re-examine some things I was gonna say I was impressed that a MMA guy knew about the true definition of kung fu, but then I remember you did Wing Chun too, so no extra credit for you!
I don't think he is by any means focusing on whether Chinese martial arts are any more or less effective then anything else. The point he is trying to make is there is no martial art that is called Kung Fu. Kung Fu or Gung Fu translates as through time and hard work one can obtain skill. You could literally have the kung fu of playing piano or cooking. Chinese martial arts correctly should be classified as Quan Fa (fist art) Wu Shu (matial art) since wu shu has been identified greatly with the performance art of modern wu shu the term Guo Shu or Kuo Shu (combat art) has been added to differ between the two. MM47's point is if you do Kung Fu are you really doing a martial art or just being suckered in. i.e. I had a guy stop training with me to do Kung Fu and I asked him how kung fu was going and he answered back very irritated it's gung fu not kung fu. I was like ok enjoy your idiocy.
Check out the MMA guy rocking this answer.
EXACTLY!!!!
Though it may seem I come down on Kung Fu, it is because very few go into it understanding it, per comparison to Karate, Judo, JJ, etc., that seem to know more of the art history and applications.
I had a idea "Kung Fu Guys" may get a little disturbed.....
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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Honestly, I think people go into a lot of different arts without understanding the history. Too many people sign up for classes because a place is near them or an instructor has BS'ed them into it. To many people don't do the basic research first.
If you single out a particular style or section of martial arts you are gonna get people from that style or section posting back. Common sense, huh? You post something negative about tae kwan do, Japanese arts, or MMA then you will get those guys defending against what you post too.
Honestly, I think people go into a lot of different arts without understanding the history. Too many people sign up for classes because a place is near them or an instructor has BS'ed them into it. To many people don't do the basic research first.
If you single out a particular style or section of martial arts you are gonna get people from that style or section posting back. Common sense, huh? You post something negative about tae kwan do, Japanese arts, or MMA then you will get those guys defending against what you post too.
Per bold, is my exact point.
It isnt about saying something negative about a art.
It is about accurately knowing and understanding.
It is about the mis-use of words, terms, propaganda, hype, charlatanical issues.
I have something to say about all arts that tend to not be in favor with those whom practice them.
I have researched martial arts, way before the "AI", and with the "AI", there is info that can support or not support issues.
(Which will lead me to my next thread)
Be it may, those who take offense to it, may not completely understand their art.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Wheras I may seem "negative" to certain things, it is from my formulted opinions, ir to stimulate more opposite conversation, on how I get to a certain point.
This is by no means, to state such opposite,or strong opinions, and/or comments directly to anyone as a person/individual.
This is something he's posted on many times. If its kung fu, gung fu, chuan fa, wu shu, or particularly ...wait for it...Shaolin, 47MM has a lot of negative to say about it. Maybe its just me and I notice if more being a kung fu guy.
kung fu, gung fu, same thing just different language. Mandarin vs Cantonese. Anyone that gets thier panties in a wad about which it is needs to re-examine some things I was gonna say I was impressed that a MMA guy knew about the true definition of kung fu, but then I remember you did Wing Chun too, so no extra credit for you!
It's a nasty prejudice against the chinese arts. I've noticed it too, and wonder if the moderators have, as well. Is it because it's Chinese?
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Though it may seem I come down on Kung Fu, it is because very few go into it understanding it, per comparison to Karate, Judo, JJ, etc., that seem to know more of the art history and applications.
I durst say, that perhaps you don't understand kung fu, and that's why you come down on it. You lack the discipline and the proper train of mind. The tiger spiritual is the essence of the dragon metaphysical.
Reflect on that, but do not see in the reflection your own image, or you have failed.
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The essence of the tiger spiritual is contained in the habitual instinctual.--GS Takeshi Ukeno
Just like any other art, Chinese martial arts have thier share of people who try to make it and themselves look better by making it seem something it is not. Its not mystical, fanstasy, magic, or anything like that. Its science based on the human body and fighting. MM47, just out of curiosity, why do you single out Chinese martial arts so much?
how many chinese martial arts are based on science and the human body, and not based on animals?
i know that and wing chun, and i guess jeet kune do but what else? it seems most chinese martial arts are based on animals, and are done becasue it was done by some one 200 years ago, rather than science, and the mechanics of the human body?
i know that and wing chun, and i guess jeet kune do but what else? it seems most chinese martial arts are based on animals, and are done becasue it was done by some one 200 years ago, rather than science, and the mechanics of the human body?
I was being sarcastic, I don't really believe in the system. :P One day, hopefully I'll be able to experience it's reality/ false-ness but until then I can't believe in words and videos. But even the animal styles would know about targeting pressure points?
I was being sarcastic, I don't really believe in the system. :P One day, hopefully I'll be able to experience it's reality/ false-ness but until then I can't believe in words and videos. But even the animal styles would know about targeting pressure points?
ok. well dim mak is technically science based, and human body. but i get your sarcasm.
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This is something he's posted on many times. If its kung fu, gung fu, chuan fa, wu shu, or particularly ...wait for it...Shaolin, 47MM has a lot of negative to say about it. Maybe its just me and I notice if more being a kung fu guy.
may get a little disturbed.....
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