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Is sanda a full on stand up game like muay thai? Does it manipulate elbows and knees?
A lot of San Shou competitions don't allow elbows, but in general from what you're saying it sounds like a good San Shou gym is just what you're looking for.
A lot of San Shou competitions don't allow elbows, but in general from what you're saying it sounds like a good San Shou gym is just what you're looking for.
Hmm... I'm getting rather confused now, what exactly do you mean by San Shou gym? I'm under the impression that San Shou is more like a sport, such as MMA, using various techniques taught in wu shu/ kung fu etc. Do you mean a gym that teaches moves ready for San Shou competing or teaching it as a style on it's own?
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Thanks for the advice.
Hmm... What I meant was, kickboxing as a style, as in a school that teaches 'Chinese kickboxing'. I don't know why, but I really do want to study something Chinese, probably because of my origin, but I want something more laid back, less concentrating on getting belts or wearing uniform. Judo's plenty formal enough for me, and my club is quite relaxed.
The problem with trying to find a kung fu ( chuan fa ) school that teaches "chinese kickboxing" is that there is more involved that putting on pads a wailing on each other. Any decent school will include strikes, grappling, ground fighting, chin na, pressure points, etc. All this is under the heading of Chinese boxing. If you found a Chinese school that focused on kickboxing in the western sense then it really wouldn't be a chuan fa system.
As far as laid back, I've found most Chinese schools are a bit more laid back than other types of schools. This is generaly because the schools are smaller and more family orientated. I mean you actually call senioir students "big brother" Of course, as with anything, ther are exceptions to this. Laid back also does not mean you don't train your butt off. If you aren't being pushed and challenged, someone isn't doing thier job and you aren't getting the full benefit from the money you are spending.
47MM, yes I have heard of and seen demonstrations of splashing hands. Its not my cup of tea.
Hmm... I'm getting rather confused now, what exactly do you mean by San Shou gym? I'm under the impression that San Shou is more like a sport, such as MMA, using various techniques taught in wu shu/ kung fu etc. Do you mean a gym that teaches moves ready for San Shou competing or teaching it as a style on it's own?
There are gyms that train fighters for san shou fights (though not everyone training there actually fights). That's what I mean. I've spent time training in such gyms and it sounds like what you are looking for.
The problem with trying to find a kung fu ( chuan fa ) school that teaches "chinese kickboxing" is that there is more involved that putting on pads a wailing on each other. Any decent school will include strikes, grappling, ground fighting, chin na, pressure points, etc. All this is under the heading of Chinese boxing. If you found a Chinese school that focused on kickboxing in the western sense then it really wouldn't be a chuan fa system.
As far as laid back, I've found most Chinese schools are a bit more laid back than other types of schools. This is generaly because the schools are smaller and more family orientated. I mean you actually call senioir students "big brother" Of course, as with anything, ther are exceptions to this. Laid back also does not mean you don't train your butt off. If you aren't being pushed and challenged, someone isn't doing thier job and you aren't getting the full benefit from the money you are spending.
47MM, yes I have heard of and seen demonstrations of splashing hands. Its not my cup of tea.
Nice post. But in the smaller, family orientated, traditional schools, there are no sashes indicating rank.
The problem with trying to find a kung fu ( chuan fa ) school that teaches "chinese kickboxing" is that there is more involved that putting on pads a wailing on each other. Any decent school will include strikes, grappling, ground fighting, chin na, pressure points, etc. All this is under the heading of Chinese boxing. If you found a Chinese school that focused on kickboxing in the western sense then it really wouldn't be a chuan fa system.
So conclusion is, 'kickboxing' doesn't really exist in chuan fa(Kung fu?). And that san da is basically small elements from chuan fa(Kung fu? ) put into a sort of MMA type competition? And I would be better off going for something like Muay Thai?
Kung fu schools here seem less family orientated and more... How can I say this... 1 Chinese grandmaster and everybody else isn't Chinese? Not saying that's a bad thing. But from what I've heard/ seen, there aren't any family based kung fu schools.
So conclusion is, 'kickboxing' doesn't really exist in chuan fa(Kung fu?). And that san da is basically small elements from chuan fa(Kung fu? ) put into a sort of MMA type competition? And I would be better off going for something like Muay Thai?
Kung fu schools here seem less family orientated and more... How can I say this... 1 Chinese grandmaster and everybody else isn't Chinese? Not saying that's a bad thing. But from what I've heard/ seen, there aren't any family based kung fu schools.
Though, there may not be actual family members at that school, it is family by training association.
Your "Big Brother" isnt actually your birthed sibling, and your "Uncle" isnt actually your mum's brother.
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A San Shou gym would be like an MMA gym. No it wouldn't be training MMA techniques It would be a gym dedicated to the sport of San Shou. This one of the reasons the web site set off alarm bells. They say they are a San Shou gym, but then they are adding traditional elements to it (they say). It just doesn't work that way.
I didn't mean family as in related by family. I meant the atmosphere. 47MM, some family systems do indeed award sashs and ranks. It is a tool like any other. Some schools use it, some schools don't. Saying a school is not a family school based upon whether they award sashes or not is incorrect and bad advice to someone who might be looking for a school.
I don't care for splashing hands. I don't think its as effective as using..ack, can't remember the Chinese term for it, short, explosive, penetrating, power. While splashing hands incorporates this principle, the practitioners rarely have it.
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Remembered the Chinese term Fa Jing - short, explosive, penetrating power.
Goddep, meant to tell you this earlier, San Da, is just a type of sparring. Its not a sport. Its like saying your gonna spar at a certain power level and allow certain techniqies.
A San Shou gym would be like an MMA gym. No it wouldn't be training MMA techniques It would be a gym dedicated to the sport of San Shou. This one of the reasons the web site set off alarm bells. They say they are a San Shou gym, but then they are adding traditional elements to it (they say). It just doesn't work that way.
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I didn't mean family as in related by family. I meant the atmosphere. 47MM, some family systems do indeed award sashs and ranks. It is a tool like any other. Some schools use it, some schools don't. Saying a school is not a family school based upon whether they award sashes or not is incorrect and bad advice to someone who might be looking for a school.
But in the smaller, family orientated, traditional schools, there are no sashes indicating rank. I was speaking in terms of traditional. This would be like adding modern values to traditional elements. The sash thing is in accordance to modern martial art applications and not traditional.
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I don't care for splashing hands. I don't think its as effective as using..ack, can't remember the Chinese term for it, short, explosive, penetrating, power. While splashing hands incorporates this principle, the practitioners rarely have it.
Have you come across a good practitoner of it to make this assessment?
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But in the smaller, family orientated, traditional schools, there are no sashes indicating rank. I was speaking in terms of traditional. This would be like adding modern values to traditional elements. The sash thing is in accordance to modern martial art applications and not traditional.
Have you come across a good practitoner of it to make this assessment?
Again, sashes and rank are a tool. Even tradional schools use modern tools. That would be like saying they don't have a computer in the kuen because its a traditional school. Being traditional does not mean being caught in a time warp to the 16 or 17 hundreds.
I've come across a couple of practitioners that said they were good at splashing hands Not quite the same though, is it?
Again, sashes and rank are a tool. Even tradional schools use modern tools. That would be like saying they don't have a computer in the kuen because its a traditional school. Being traditional does not mean being caught in a time warp to the 16 or 17 hundreds.
2.) I've come across a couple of practitioners that said they were good at splashing hands Not quite the same though, is it?
You have a point, though it seems like everyone else, they use the same tool. But are these tools really necessary? Are they following instead of leading a trend/fad?
Being traditional does not mean being caught in a time warp to the 16 or 17 hundreds.
Indeed, like some of the Buddhists I've met, they have cell phones and computers.
2.) They were saying they were good, but did you go against/practice with them, us what I had meant
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Of course, as with anything, ther are exceptions to this. Laid back also does not mean you don't train your butt off. If you aren't being pushed and challenged, someone isn't doing thier job and you aren't getting the full benefit from the money you are spending.
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