More troops in Iraq or no?

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by NewEnglandBudo

FYI, President Teddy Roosevelt was a proponent of Ju Jutsu and Judo and studied it inside the White House.

I believe he eventually received his dan ranking. He studied with a military attache' from the Japanese Embassy if my memory serves me.

Ah Teddy Roosevelt makes a lot more sense considering he wasn't... you know... paralyzed from the waste down.

Originally Posted by Akai Shizuku

Agreed. Also, continuous improvement can get us to a place where we are satisfied. But that takes alot of self-improvement smelted with philosophy and strong morals for everybody.

Once we are satisfied, improvement stops. This is bad. If we set a goal, and through continuous improvement, reach that goal, it means the goal was too low and needs to be raised.

Sadly, not everybody is willing to improve or become better people. Lots of people are happy sitting on the couch all day wallowing in marijuana and pornography.

I don't wallow, I revel.
You say marijuana and pornography like its a bad thing.
I'm improving my couch sitting skills. I can currently sit for 5 or 6 hours without my butt going numb.

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by Chapel

Ah Teddy Roosevelt makes a lot more sense considering he wasn't... you know... paralyzed from the waste down.



Once we are satisfied, improvement stops. This is bad. If we set a goal, and through continuous improvement, reach that goal, it means the goal was too low and needs to be raised.



I don't wallow, I revel.
You say marijuana and pornography like its a bad thing.
I'm improving my couch sitting skills. I can currently sit for 5 or 6 hours without my butt going numb.

Nice. However, there actually are people who would say something like that seriously.

[Chapel]

Originally Posted by Akai Shizuku

Nice. However, there actually are people who would say something like that seriously.

yeah I know...

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by Chapel

yeah I know...

Depressing, isn't it?

[Dragonzord]

If the question being asked her is; Should we send more troops over to Iraq? The answer starts with, why are we fighting this war in the first place? This seems to be just like the Vietnam War. We weren't involved in that war, but being America we had to put our to steps into the situation and the result of that was that we had thousands of casualities. The answer to this question is that no. All troops should come home. There have been a number of losses between us and the country that were fighting in. Send everyone else home and let's go on about our business. There is way too many problems going on in the world that need to be taken care of that this situation doesn't seem to amount of what's really important out here. If anything the cause of this problem President Bush needs to be out of office and placed somewhere, where he losses all contact with all human reactions.

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by Dragonzord

If the question being asked her is; Should we send more troops over to Iraq? The answer starts with, why are we fighting this war in the first place? This seems to be just like the Vietnam War. We weren't involved in that war, but being America we had to put our to steps into the situation and the result of that was that we had thousands of casualities. The answer to this question is that no. All troops should come home. There have been a number of losses between us and the country that were fighting in. Send everyone else home and let's go on about our business. There is way too many problems going on in the world that need to be taken care of that this situation doesn't seem to amount of what's really important out here. If anything the cause of this problem President Bush needs to be out of office and placed somewhere, where he losses all contact with all human reactions.

Heh. I agree with you. However, it wouldn't be that easy. World leaders absolutely despise losing face, and are usually too full of themselves to speak out and acknowledge that they were wrong. Hopefully the new president will have less pride and more reason wthin themselves. Though I think the whole Iraq war was a mistake, I will not bash anyone involved because I don't know them personally and I don't know what's going on inside their heads. Sometimes there is a method to the madness, sometimes not. At any rate, I think world leaders (esp. the president of a superpower), should have more responsibility than to clutch at their pride so firmly.

[NewEnglandBudo]

Wafa Sultan rebukes terrorism on Al Jazeera

Wafa Sultan is a secular psychologist of Syrian-American origin. Go read more about her on Wikipedia to get the background. Although she is quite well-known for her part in the the public discussion on the clash of civilizations her recent appearance on Al Jazeera has spread on the Internet like wildfire.

YouTube - Wafa Sultan speaks up

YouTube - Wafa Sultan Refuted Part 2 of 4

YouTube - Wafa Sultan-Terrorism and Islam (New)

YouTube - Wafa Sultan Refuted on al Jazeera.Part4 of4

Truth about islam from an ex-muslim lady.completing the puzzle.
part 3 of 4 from the debate on Al Jazeera (21st February 2006)
The three interlocutors are Faisal al-Qasim, Wafa Sultan, and Ibrahim al-Khouly, a professor at Al-Azhar University in Cairo (Egypt)
Clash of Civilizations ? Islam and the West


quote: Quran49:13. O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by NewEnglandBudo

Wafa Sultan rebukes terrorism on Al Jazeera

Wafa Sultan is a secular psychologist of Syrian-American origin. Go read more about her on Wikipedia to get the background. Although she is quite well-known for her part in the the public discussion on the clash of civilizations her recent appearance on Al Jazeera has spread on the Internet like wildfire.

YouTube - Wafa Sultan speaks up

YouTube - Wafa Sultan Refuted Part 2 of 4

YouTube - Wafa Sultan-Terrorism and Islam (New)

YouTube - Wafa Sultan Refuted on al Jazeera.Part4 of4

Truth about islam from an ex-muslim lady.completing the puzzle.
part 3 of 4 from the debate on Al Jazeera (21st February 2006)
The three interlocutors are Faisal al-Qasim, Wafa Sultan, and Ibrahim al-Khouly, a professor at Al-Azhar University in Cairo (Egypt)
Clash of Civilizations ? Islam and the West


quote: Quran49:13. O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

Ex-Muslims are rare, and Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. Ex-Muslims only leave Islam because they are not strong enough to live according to Islamic laws, which are simple and usually rather easy-to-follow. Islam can also be a strict religion in regards to the transgression of its laws. I will blatantly state this fact: Islam considers terrorism to be a crime worthy of capital punishment. Terrorism is against Islam and Islamic values and Islamic law.

[NewEnglandBudo]

Originally Posted by Akai Shizuku

Ex-Muslims are rare, and Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. Ex-Muslims only leave Islam because they are not strong enough to live according to Islamic laws, which are simple and usually rather easy-to-follow. Islam can also be a strict religion in regards to the transgression of its laws. I will blatantly state this fact: Islam considers terrorism to be a crime worthy of capital punishment. Terrorism is against Islam and Islamic values and Islamic law.

I agree with you 100 % about true Islam. However, I believe who Dr.Sultan is speaking to are those that bastardize the true Islamic faith.

[Dragonzord]

Your right I wouldn't dare bash on the troops fighting over in Iraq. I just think that it's stupid to be in this war and the cause of that is families losing husbands, wives, children etc. It's a shame that people have to lose their lives to fight for unappreicated, big headed people who couldn't piss directly into a pot if their lives depended on it. Those involved in that process should be dealt with individually. I have the upmost respect for those fighting, because I wouldn't do it. I don't mean as blunt as it sounds. I just don't believe in war and don't like fighting at all. If anything, we as the people of the world should be trying to come together and make the world a better place. There are people out there doing that but the ones who put each other down take over the world more than the ones who care. Evil triumphs over Good and that's a shame.

[Draven]

Let me add some form of interjection with this...

I'm a Christian and have several friends who are Muslims, I'm also a soldier, still...

I prefer the idea of knowing your enemy, most Americans don't. Allot of Al-Queadas "theology" is dirived from the Hasan Order also know as the order of the Assassins from back in the crusade period of history. There is no formal link just claims to make Al-Queada seem all the more like "holy avangers" to attract recruits.

All in all, Al-Queada is a relic of U.S. intelligence polcy, we training and funded Ben Laden so he could fight the Soviets in Afganistan and we could learn how the Soviets did things. When the USSR colapsed the form Soviet nations slowly became our allies and Ben Laden lost face and power. Now he has turned himself in a warlord to try to boost that power. Its all very childish for world leaders.

Now on being in Iraq, we told the Iraqis to rise against Hussan and we would help them. We didn't, so I think we should have went into Iraq the first time. The problem is we are there now under false pretenses of WMDs that don't exist and now Iraqi parlerment is talk a month off four times a year. We need to start letting the Iragis have control of there lives, because to be honest this looks more like a "grab for oil" then helping anybody...

[WC_Lun]

Something about the oil thing that I don't understand. MAybe someone knows. When the war was being sold to the American public, we were told that much of the money spent would be offset by new oil revenues from Iraq. Well the pipelines and oil rigs are working and people are free to buy Iraqi oil, but I don't see it helping fray the cost of the war. Why?

[Akai Shizuku]

Originally Posted by Draven

Let me add some form of interjection with this...

I'm a Christian and have several friends who are Muslims, I'm also a soldier, still...

I prefer the idea of knowing your enemy, most Americans don't. Allot of Al-Queadas "theology" is dirived from the Hasan Order also know as the order of the Assassins from back in the crusade period of history. There is no formal link just claims to make Al-Queada seem all the more like "holy avangers" to attract recruits.

Interestingly, I read in the news mabye a month or two ago that nearly all of the high-ranking Christian/Catholic ministers recently gave a formal apology to all Muslims for the crusades.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Something about the oil thing that I don't understand. MAybe someone knows. When the war was being sold to the American public, we were told that much of the money spent would be offset by new oil revenues from Iraq. Well the pipelines and oil rigs are working and people are free to buy Iraqi oil, but I don't see it helping fray the cost of the war. Why?

Short answer blame Bush; OPEC released a statement that got picked by several local papers and the BBC saying that America under Bush's oil policy has driven the cost of up higher. They said there is plenty of oil reserves etc, etc...

A more indept answer is this, requires allot research and answers I just can't give. Secrity clearance issues and all... lol

No actually much of this comes from the overpaid private sector. And allot of fraud waste & abuse within the government. We threw the "extra money" into homeland in-security, and have fowled up big. But, allot of information I still don't know. Personally I think Bush is using Iraq to boost his oil profits, but hey lil Timmy (I mean Ben Laden) is the enemy. Besides what would Bush know about where the money is comming or going, he is still looking for WMDs right. Oh, yeah we found those barrels of bleach/clorine and said it was a componet for WMDs. Which that is true, bleach & amoninia is two major components of improvised mustard gas. But thats not a sign of a WMD, how many companies and agencies in America have stores like that?

[WC_Lun]

Saw an interesting article the other day that had some non-political media watch dog group give a count of the proven falsehoods told by the Bush administration and published by US papers in regards to Iraq...over 900. Getting that many things wrong is either very, very, inept or just incredibly brazen lying. Either way, its a scary thing, especially when people have and are dying because of it.