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08-06-2008, 06:59 PM
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08-07-2008, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sake Sipper  | 6th of August 1945
My friends grandparents left Hiroshima to go to Korea to visit family on the 5th of August... Luckly they left that day...
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08-08-2008, 05:29 AM
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Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Styles: Shu Do Kan KarateDo
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Home Country: | War sucks.  Other than that....No comment. | |
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08-08-2008, 06:27 AM
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Home Country: | "In addition, the declaration mentioned that 190 states have ratified the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and pointed out that the countries opposing nuclear weapons formed a majority."
So is there a ratification of some sort of 'Non-Sneak attack against countries that arent even beefing with you teaty'. I think that would be nice too.
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08-08-2008, 06:51 AM
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Home Country: | Well, you can't exactly say there was no 'beef.' Tensions between the two nations had been rising prior to the outbreak of war. | |
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08-08-2008, 06:55 AM
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08-08-2008, 06:56 AM
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Home Country: | I wouldnt say they had risen anywhere near enough for the events at Pearl Harbor to take place.
The Japanese thought they would cripple the US with that strike( but correct if I'm wrong history was never my best subject).
Edit--Good stuff Sake, ya learn something new everyday.
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08-08-2008, 07:24 AM
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Join Date: May 2008 Location: Tampa, Fl Styles: Shu Do Kan KarateDo
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Home Country: | Look, the Japanese were planning to attack the US fleet.....At the same time, they were trying to persue diplomatic resolutions with the US regarding their oil embargo. They figured if they couldn't get the US to give them back the oil, they would FORCE the US to give it to them. Nice try. They failed. Yes, it hurt....and yes, it was tragic, but...This is what happens when we give governments too much power. Their civilians lost thousands of lives because of their governments poor decisions. Let sleeping bears lay and sleep. | |
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08-09-2008, 01:58 PM
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08-09-2008, 02:44 PM
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Home Country: | Well here is my input as a soldier, its war it sucks; cry a river, build a bridege and the get the **** over it...
The Japanese had more war crimes then the Nazis and only escaped the war crimes charges because of the intelligence and methodology of the Nakano Espeionage School. Sorry but thats war, but don't pick a fight if you don't want a bloody nose and don't start a war if you don't dead bodies to pile up...
Its tragic, but its a matter of who started it and who ended it...
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08-09-2008, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Draven Well here is my input as a soldier, its war it sucks; cry a river, build a bridege and the get the **** over it...
The Japanese had more war crimes then the Nazis and only escaped the war crimes charges because of the intelligence and methodology of the Nakano Espeionage School. Sorry but thats war, but don't pick a fight if you don't want a bloody nose and don't start a war if you don't dead bodies to pile up...
Its tragic, but its a matter of who started it and who ended it... | Thank you sir. Rep given. | |
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08-09-2008, 03:23 PM
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08-10-2008, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sake Sipper | Its such a tough question to deal with ethically. Some say that it saved lives through the ending the war earlier as opposed to using conventional troops. Others say that the bomb could have been used as much more of a scare tactic (by bombing, say, an uninhabited island off the coast of Japan) instead of on a civilian population. But then, you still have to ask, with all the funding that went to the bomb, would nuclear energy be at the level it is now to help with the energy crisis? And then there is the question about the ethics nuclear energy in general...
Staggering, I couldn't even imagine having to deal with something like this. If it was a clear cut success, you can be proud. If it was a clear cut atrocity, you can be apologetic. What do you do in a situation like this? | |
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08-10-2008, 10:15 PM
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Home Country: | What was done was done to end a war and make a point to both our allies and soon to be enemies. In this it worked more than its creaters ever intended. Knowing that the bombs had to be used to further us goals easier, does not mean we should forget the hundreds of thousands that died those two days. The US killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in order to cow a government into surrender. Regardless of the nobility of causing the surrender in order to save lives, we still must carry the burden of the innocent lives we took and try to make it necessary that we are never placed in a similiar spot.
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