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Old 12-23-2007, 07:39 PM   #16 (permalink)

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This is not a children's party, that's the whole point.
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Old 12-23-2007, 07:40 PM   #17 (permalink)

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This is not a children's party, that's the whole point.
You're right, but you seem to have missed the joke...And enforced what I meant by it.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:05 PM   #18 (permalink)

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Unkotare, my point is that if you were at all sincere in any of your comments about the important of what you were saying you could do so i a civilized mannor.... which you seem to be able to do on your own forum.

so say "i am mean because i have" to be BS all you want, the fact reamains that it is in fact BS. whatever your true intentions are......
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:21 PM   #19 (permalink)

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What a load.

I don't talk to my older brother the way I talk to my college students. I don't talk to my college students the way I talk to my high school students. I don't talk to my high school students the way I talk to my Jr. high students. etc.

Consider your audience.

If you go over to Dragonslist you will not find any of the unbelievably fantastic LARPerific kiddie playtime stuff that makes up the majority of posts here. If you did it would be 'corrected' right away. There is no need to say 'stop playing juvenile fantasyland games' because no one does.

I think this forum has the potential to be 'almost' as good as dragonslist (of course I'll always be prejudiced), but it won't as long as attempts to make it at least a serious discussion of MA are drowned out by the cries of those afraid of losing their playground to a real MA forum.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:24 PM   #20 (permalink)

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What a load.

I don't talk to my older brother the way I talk to my college students. I don't talk to my college students the way I talk to my high school students. I don't talk to my high school students the way I talk to my Jr. high students. etc.

Consider your audience.

If you go over to Dragonslist you will not find any of the unbelievably fantastic LARPerific kiddie playtime stuff that makes up the majority of posts here. If you did it would be 'corrected' right away. There is no need to say 'stop playing juvenile fantasyland games' because no one does.

I think this forum has the potential to be 'almost' as good as dragonslist (of course I'll always be prejudiced), but it won't as long as attempts to make it at least a serious discussion of MA are drowned out by the cries of those afraid of losing their playground to a real MA forum.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:36 PM   #21 (permalink)

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but unlike some people i WILL give a REAL RESPONSE

yeah, no threads are made on dragon list that are "unbelievably fantastic"....

No, really - The Dragon's List Kung Fu Community

Ki and health and healing - The Dragon's List Kung Fu Community

unkotare you do realize that things posted on the internet are accesible to everyone to see right??? thus claims of your supposed internet superiority really ought to be backed up....

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Now, now you two....

Unkotare; You are right, there are a few posts around that are a bit fantasy-like and I agree that until you put your skills to the test in some way(hopefully in a controlled manner to begin with), you dont know how they'll stand up.

The difference is that the posts that I have seen in this vein are not disrespectful, rude or even abusive to others. At least so far as I have seen. They might annoy you personally because you obviously feel that they are living in cloud cuckoo land but many geniuses start life as daydreamers. Not all of them become geniuses obviously, some start to realise other truths and adapt their way of thinking.

You are clearly intelligent so why not start finding ways to put your point across in a more considerate way? Consider the people posting that annoy you to be students of yours; you don't shout at a student every time they do something wrong, you encourage them to think about what it is you think they have done wrong. Sometimes the student, by doing something a different way to their instructor, finds an equally good way of their own.
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but unlike some people i WILL give a REAL RESPONSE

yeah, no threads are made on dragon list that are "unbelievably fantastic"....

No, really - The Dragon's List Kung Fu Community

Ki and health and healing - The Dragon's List Kung Fu Community

unkotare you do realize that things posted on the internet are accesible to everyone to see right???

In that case you might want to consider actually reading those threads you linked to. You clearly have not yet.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:10 AM   #24 (permalink)

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In that case you might want to consider actually reading those threads you linked to. You clearly have not yet.
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Ok, so in Hap Ki Do we as well get heavily involved in as we call it Ki. There is an article in Black Belt magazine about a guy who uses Ki in self healing and his aging. How do we as people truly tap into Ki? They say that Ki is all we really need to heal orselves os sickness and disease. How do we get to the level where we can learn to focus our natural energies and healing powers, not just to speed up healing and quality of it. ( this I have been taught and work on already) but to cure ourselves of VD, Cancer, Lepracy, Scabies/Chiggers, anything that may inflict us. What does it take to reach our full potential. We use what 3% of our minds. How do we learn to do more? I would truly like to know. For me a good example. A buddy of mine, 4th Dan in ****o Ryu, has bad knees. How can we channel our Ki to reapir that damage instead of living with it of getting costly surgury that could end up hendering our Ki from completeing the true healing process?
this fantasitical thread did not receive one single comment from you let alone a beligerent one.....

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Did you ever experience a time, maybe just a moment, where you really felt that the 'internal' stuff you were studying 'kicked in' and happened (in a specific physical manifestation - not 'I feel calm,' or the sort) the way you thought/were told it could during an actual, real-world, violent confrontation?
anything that is not quantifiable can be construded as fantastical to another, however here you are willing to agree that there is more to MA then just measureable external elements. there are things that we cannot quantify that must be inclued.

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I have. One time when I was into it with this very big, very angry, very on something dude, I distinctly recall that there was a very "Buddha's Warrior Attendant Pounds Mortar" moment when he threw a straight right at my head. Felt very effortless there for just a moment. The rest of what happened was all quite 'external.'
not only do you discuss those issues there, but you claim to have experienced them. my point is that you have no right to say what is fantasical because someone might think that your claim of internal MAs are really powerful in some sort of undefinable way is fantastical.

but the major destinction here is that you could have these conversations in such a way that did not degrade into name calling or ".........." comments.
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Old 12-24-2007, 01:22 AM   #25 (permalink)

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You skimmed the first post in a thread and now you look foolish. You will notice that both of those threads were specifically about experienced members and their actual experiences, not imaginary fantasy role-play. In the first, a number of insupportable claims were directly refuted by other members during the course of the thread (and no one had a hissy fit about it). The second was asking for real experiences of real people. No conclusions were drawn and no fantasies were indulged.

Maybe the problem is that you were unable to understand what you read because you weren't really reading, but just fishing for some bait. You failed, better reset the hook.
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The problem has never been what you or any other member was saying. The problem has always been the way it was said. Let us look at some examples with a right and a wrong challenge to the post.

Example 1: Someone claims that he has to hold back to avoid getting DQed in a competition.
Wrong Response: How would you know since you have never been disqualified in a competition, silly juvenile LARPer.
Right Response: How many competitions have you been DQed from? I have found that using a lot of power tends to help me in competition. Maybe you just need to try again.

Example 2: I am developing my own martial art involving (fill in the blank).
Wrong Response: You don't know anything about it, how can you make an art about it? A real art is (XYZ) not this fantasy you are calling an art and then claiming is effective even though you have probably never been in a fight.
Right Response: How do you over come problems such as this, that and the third? Have you heard of or studied any (XYZ) art, it is very similar? Do you think that the techniques in your art are such that you could defend yourself with them?

Example 3: I'm a samurai!
Wrong Response: The samurai died out years ago. You aren't a samurai, you are a LARPer. You might want to grow up and get a clue. Once you have done the research I have done you will see why this is a stupid and childish thing to say.
Right Response: The samurai died out years ago. Do you mean that you idolize the samurai of stories and movies? You can find some information about what real samurai are like here.

So what is the common thread in the "Wrong Responses":
1. They are combative in nature instead of persuasive in nature.
2. They make assumptions about what the person means instead of asking questions to resolve an inconsistency or other source of confusion.
3. They claim superiority and do not make an attempt to back up the claim or attempt to educate the original poster.

Keep in mind that most communication in person is not the specific words, but rather the inflection, tone and body language of a person. On an internet forum we loose all of these important aspects so it is even more important to read carefully and resolve any sources of confusion well before deciding to get into a debate. Assumptions in personal communications are bad, assumptions in text only communications are worse.

I'm going to finish is novel of a post with a few guidelines to better more respectful posting:
1. If there is something that seems childish, wrong, absurd, etc. ask for clarification before assuming that the poster is childish wrong or absurd.
2. Once you determine that there is a disagreement between your ideas and someone else's, determine the root of the disagreement.
3. Be persuasive, not combative. Post as if you are trying to convince the other person to see your way, not as if you are trying to make other forum readers see your way.
4. Number 3 is worth saying again: Be persuasive, not combative. At the end of a disagreement that you win, the person you debated against should see and accept your side.
5. If someone says something that is contradictory to things you know for sure, query about the contradiction while citing your original source. If it is from your instructor, give a bit of background about your instructor. If it is from a book, state the title of the book. If it is from a website, provide a link to the website.
6. Don't be afraid to 'lose' an argument. It may be that you had some bad information. It may be that you were just flat out wrong. However, by losing an argument, you are now more informed about a topic that interests you. So the defeat is really a victory.

Happy posting...

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What ever happened to the good old days when there was peace on martial-forums.If someone says something you dont agree with we should be able to discuss it without an all out forum war breaking out.

I know i have not been that active lately but i am back
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What ever happened to the good old days when there was peace on martial-forums.If someone says something you dont agree with we should be able to discuss it without an all out forum war breaking out.

I know i have not been that active lately but i am back
That's the way it should be and WILL BE.

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The problem has never been what you or any other member was saying. The problem has always been the way it was said.
This pretty much sums up all recent much heated discussion.
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100% agree and was the reason why I have not been active here for a while.

Clarification: This is not aimed at Unkotare in particular.
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