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But you knew where the path would lead. You had direction.
Not really, sometimes I go exploring and get lost. Sometimes I go exploring and find a path. Sometimes I go exploring and let nature take its course. Direction and instruction are two different concepts.
Direction can be shared ideology, that while taking us in the same general direction chooses two seperate paths. Sometimes the path you follow which may be old and worn from all those who have travelled before you and the path a forge on my own lead to same summit but are completely ignorant of each other until we reach that summit.
Experience can lead me in the same direction as you take following another's path. But, the fact that we reach the same end, has nothing to do with journey to get there.
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Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
Not really, sometimes I go exploring and get lost. Sometimes I go exploring and find a path. Sometimes I go exploring and let nature take its course. Direction and instruction are two different concepts.
Direction can be shared ideology, that while taking us in the same general direction chooses two seperate paths. Sometimes the path you follow which may be old and worn from all those who have travelled before you and the path a forge on my own lead to same summit but are completely ignorant of each other until we reach that summit.
Experience can lead me in the same direction as you take following another's path. But, the fact that we reach the same end, has nothing to do with journey to get there.
You habe to have a idea of the path...are you walking towards the edge of a cliff and about to walk off? Are you walking into a lake or river?
And being lost, somewhere, somehow one os put back on the path.
A new path is to explore, but it has some dangers.
And because a path had many traveled, just because someone creates a new path, still may be "off the beaten path" of tried and true.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Sounds like youve chosen the Path of "Tae Kwon Leap"
Ok, here is where "self taught", may make more sense;
"The issue of learning from a book is fairly dependant upon the individual. Books and videos represent teachings laid out systematically - what books are are mainfestations of language, and the language is a manifestation of thought and knowledge. The problem is that people will learn from them in blind acceptance of their teachings without questioning why - and without direction, there is the possibility that the answers to this question will be wrong; unless one is one's own quality assessor via validation from sources. Hence, the pit fall of metacognition is the fact that hollow practice (mimicking) could lead to misunderstanding and maladaption."
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"Which was what I was saying. That said, again, no one can learn a karate kata without instruction. But someone had to invent the idea of kata on their own with being taught. There for, an individual in a hypothetical-vacuum of combative/martial arts knowledge could invent the same concept that we know as (enter the name of any martial art) with instruction. But, no one will learn say shotokan karate, aikido, etc. without being instructed."
These give more in-depth perspectives - Kudos!
I egress.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
"Which was what I was saying. That said, again, no one can learn a karate kata without instruction. But someone had to invent the idea of kata on their own with being taught. There for, an individual in a hypothetical-vacuum of combative/martial arts knowledge could invent the same concept that we know as (enter the name of any martial art) with instruction. But, no one will learn say shotokan karate, aikido, etc. without being instructed."
These give more in-depth perspectives - Kudos!
I egress.
No one can make up a martial art without having been in a fight, unless, of course, it's Tae Kwan Do.
There's a reason you don't learn from books. You're going to fight a person, not yourself, or thin air. Then you'd better practice with a person.
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The essence of the tiger spiritual is contained in the habitual instinctual.--GS Takeshi Ukeno
No one can make up a martial art without having been in a fight, unless, of course, it's Tae Kwan Do.
There's a reason you don't learn from books. You're going to fight a person, not yourself, or thin air. Then you'd better practice with a person.
Are you implying that an art that was created for the military was created by someone who had never been in a fight. Either I'm confused or you are mistaken.
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Originally Posted by Adagio King
Hi,
I was wondering what are your thoughts on self taught martial arts? is it a succesful method of training, or do you think people require training from a professional?
I currently take two online classes and one dojo class. I always compare and contrast the two, and while dojo is better because learning experience is alot more open, you are less prone to go to a mcdojo online. In addition, you can learn at your own pace and not have to worry about slowing down the class or anything. Also its free and you don't have to drive and can take them whenever time you want.
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Originally Posted by John Takeshi
No one can make up a martial art without having been in a fight, unless, of course, it's Tae Kwan Do.
There's a reason you don't learn from books. You're going to fight a person, not yourself, or thin air. Then you'd better practice with a person.
First off, you spelled Tae Kwon Do wrong. Secondly, TKD kicks are some of the most powerful i've ever seen. It's true a vast majority of TKD dojo's are MCdojos, but there are ALWAYS exceptions to the rules. It is true that your learning experience is limited with an online course, but it can be done and it's better then watching T.V. at the very least, you'll have read a book =/.
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Originally Posted by Jalek Moye
it depends on the person, but i do say you require at least basic understanding in the way the body works
i agree. its dosent matter what whether the people your pro taught its only matters wheather you able to teach youself one thing or anouther combat wise that is. it also matters what form you are trying to teach your self.
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i agree. its dosent matter what whether the people your pro taught its only matters wheather you able to teach youself one thing or anouther combat wise that is. it also matters what form you are trying to teach your self.
Teavhing a form to yourself is only a mimmick.
A qualified instructor would know more about the form and some of its hiddend issues.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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