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Old 07-28-2006, 02:22 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Lee VS Wong

(NOTE: Read article first before voting )

In the fight between Wong Jack-Man, and Bruce Lee....who actually won. We usually hear the side in the favor of Bruce Lee, but have any of you read this article that takes a look at both sides of the story? It leaves a lot of room for debate and unanswered questions. A pertty interesting article. After reading entire article, I would like for you to share your views and thoughts on it

http://www.kungfu.net/brucelee.html

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Old 07-28-2006, 11:54 AM   #2 (permalink)

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I think it truly could have gone either way. Both were superior martial artists with excellent knowledge of their chosen art. The stories, as with all stories, are slanted to favor one over the other depending on who was telling it. I think it was probably more down the middle than the Lee side of the story and that Jack-Man was probably in "defense-mode" most of the fight, but not because Lee was trying to kill or seriously injure him.
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:51 PM   #3 (permalink)

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I notice that Bruce has the most votes. A few split, and Wong has none. I have to say that before ever reading the article, I would've given the vote to Bruce too, because of who he is. However, the article was very convencing, and after reading that article, I had to give my vote to be a draw. No one can know for sure who really won the fight. Bruce may have indeed won, however who's to say that Wong Jack Man didn't win, or that it was a draw because they both were awsome fighters, one only being much more popular! We can only speculate on what really happened.
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Interesting article, if it was biased, it was concealed very well. I'd have to go with no-victors on that one...as I would have to put more thoughts in it...
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Old 08-06-2006, 05:00 PM   #5 (permalink)

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People will always favor Bruce Lee, jus because of the fame at the minimum.
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People will always favor Bruce Lee, jus because of the fame at the minimum.
I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan, but I have to agree with you. Even if Wong Jack Man had indeed won, the vast majority would not want to believe this because of all the Bruce Lee hype, especially in todays society, because you'll have to ask yourself. Who is Bruce Lee vs who is Wong Jack Man
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I totally agree. The article was very well written and didn't seem to be biased in the least. It gave both sides of the story and gave what little facts it could. Based on that I voted for "Draw" simply because there is no way I could know what really happened. Both were excellent martial artists. I also think the popularity of Bruce Lee has something to do with my thoughts on this. What if the same story was told but no names were used? If it were MAN "A" vs MAN "B" then you may think differently on the entire matter.
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Here's another something else I found that someone wrote in relation to the Lee VS Wong event during that time. Who was a student of Wong Jack Man.

Sifu Jack Man Wong was and still is my teacher and guide in Chinese Martial Arts. For those who know, he is the highest level instructor of Kung Fu and Hsing Yi in this country and is on a par level with William CC Chen of New York in Tai Chi.

I am beyond grateful for his instruction and friendship, and my students reflect this gratitude back at me for the high level instruction I am able to offer them.

Many people interested in Kung Fu will ask me about the contest that Sifu Wong had with Bruce Lee. It is true that Sifu Wong crossed paths with Bruce Lee, the two having a fight/test of skill/debacle that both men apparently regretted having.

The two most widely known versions of the story have been put forth by Sifu Wong and Linda Lee. Both are considered to be subject to a lack of objectivity, Linda for financial reasons, Sifu Wong for reputation.

I know Sifu Wong would rather be remembered for his excellence as both an instructor and a practitioner of Chinese Martial Arts than this fight. I can remember waiting for a table in an Oakland Chinatown restaurant with Sifu Wong when the owner of the restaurant, an older Chinese man, approached me.


"You study Kung Fu with Sifu Wong?"
"Yes."
(Miming a two-handed sword stroke)"Oh, he's so powerful. Very famous..."
"Yes, he's..."
"He's very famous for his kindness to all people."

The restaurant owner was right. Sifu Wong had a multi-racial class that he delighted in. In 14 years of being in his class, I never saw him engage in any sort of behavior other than a willingness to share his art with any honorable, interested student, REGARDLESS OF RACE.
Sifu Wong will rarely discuss the fight, but did so on the odd occassion. I believe his story, as it most accurately reflects what would happen in a real fight.

Linda's story reeks of the sort myth-making one would expect for someone who is interested in profitting from her husband's legacy, the financial incentive being astronomical when one considers how much of a cottage industry has sprung up around Bruce Lee.

On one level, her story lacks credibility, primarily by painting Sifu Wong as a racist who did not want the Chinese Martial Arts to be shared with Caucasions. By mythologizing Bruce Lee as the man who opened up Kung Fu to non-Chinese, she has ensured a steady cash flow from an unsuspecting public who doesn't know any better.

The horror of all of this is that it was done at the expense of a good hearted Kung Fu Master, one who was more than willing to restore his reputation about the fight by inviting the general public to watch a rematch for free (this was issued in the Chinese Pacific Weekly shortly after so-called details of the fight were publicized). For whatever reason, Bruce Lee opted not to meet Sifu Wong after the publishing of the invite for a second public match.

The following article is the only intelligent discussion I have read about the fight. Most of the articles published previously are by Bruce Lee devotees paraphrasing Linda Lee's story without interviewing any of the witnesses.

One person who knew Bruce well enough to see him that day after the fight corresponded with me when we first posted this article, writing:

At no time was RACISM ever a factor in the fight!
The fight came about because of Bruce Lee's big mouth - and his constant criticism of the "Gong-fu" being taught in SF's China Town!
This is the content of the challenge letter - delivered by a "second":
"Dear Mr Lee; We understand you have a set of hands called Wing Chun Pai! We have a representative who would like to exchange hands with you!" (Wong refused to kick Bruce, which the article details.)
Bruce Lee's exact words to me - I wrote them down over 32 years ago!
In all honesty no one won the fight!
He (Wong) made me look bad!
He (Wong) had no Class!
The fight lasted 20-25 minutes!
Myths die hard, if at all. It is my hope that Sifu Wong's legacy will be one based on the truth and not the need to deify Bruce Lee, whether for profit or the reputation of his art.

(this was taken form the following site, and then it continues into the article we already read.)
http://www.lakungfu.com/sifujackmanwong.html
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