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Of Course, Orangutans are extremely strong, as well as Gorillas, even mankind's closest relative; Homo Neandertalis, based upon studies of bones structure were up to 10 times stronger. A Neanderthal 5 year old would have been as physcially developed as a human 8 year old. Furthermore, even less developed human species; Australopithacus, Homo erectus etc were all stronger in comparison to Homo Sapien.
Could you take on a tiger, orangutan, or even a Angry Cow?
We need to consider man's power & natural weapons relative to the predators & animals which surrounded him.
Mankind is peculiarly much weaker than many animals of the same size in the natural world. Just as many men today could not fight an orangutan, neither could our ancestors; so at the heart of the issue is the physical deficiency of homo sapien compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. No amount of our ancestors "battering" or natural percussive attacks were enough to make mankind a sensible predator & no where near the top of the food chain.
So I stick to my original "a priori" and consider that mankind does not have any natural weapons. They thus had to create weapons. However, that is not to say that weapons developed BEFORE martial arts proper. But this is an issue that will have to reside in hypothosis, since we'll never really know for sure...
have you heard about Kalaripayattu?
it is said that Bodhi Dharma was a master of that art and then he emigrated to China and Kung Fu evolved from Kalaripayattu, which is one of the oldest MA in the known history, any way, I agree, there's no one only origin, but a lot.
have you heard about Kalaripayattu?
it is said that Bodhi Dharma was a master of that art and then he emigrated to China and Kung Fu evolved from Kalaripayattu, which is one of the oldest MA in the known history, any way, I agree, there's no one only origin, but a lot.
Not only have I heard of it, back in 1972 a Indian family had moved into our neighborhood. The family had aunts and uncles living with them like a comunnity residence.
Anyway, one of the uncles practiced it. One of the young male kids was getting bullied and I had ocassionally defended him. Later his uncle stepped it and started to teach it.
A lot of my study of india was inspired from knowing them.
However, that Bodhi thing is too far fetch as he was more into a different level and not involved in shpwing fighting methods.
Which, I dont want to get started on the Bodhi/Shaolin/Monk Rut
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Mankind does indeed have a natural weapon. The most highly developed and capable weapon the world has ever seen. His brain. Nothing else even comes close.
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Martial art is develop out of comflict.....Man against man
I still believe as tactcis were learned, studied, and practiced, it is still MMA based.
that about sums it up.
every culture from the beginning had to develop an devise hand to hand combat.
research, archeology, heiroglyphics, paintings, sculptures show people from different cultures around the world engaged in hand to hand combat, flying kicks, armbars, swords....u name it.
i think that because of misinterpretation an hollywood. alot of people automatically think that MA, MMA exclusively originated in the Orient
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every culture from the beginning had to develop an devise hand to hand combat.
research, archeology, heiroglyphics, paintings, sculptures show people from different cultures around the world engaged in hand to hand combat, flying kicks, armbars, swords....u name it.
i think that because of misinterpretation an hollywood. alot of people automatically think that MA, MMA exclusively originated in the Orient
How true. Even many dictionaries define it incorrectly as Asian/Oriental.
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That was a well said conclusion I heard this theory many times that India was the birth place and was passed over to China and vice versa. Truth is both have styles that are just as old and have influenced the regions surrounding them. As to date from seeing a couple of documentaries both Kalari and Kung Fu perhaps are the most ancient the most structured and have techniques that have stretched for many generations back but really does it matter who was first.
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That was a well said conclusion I heard this theory many times that India was the birth place and was passed over to China and vice versa. Truth is both have styles that are just as old and have influenced the regions surrounding them. As to date from seeing a couple of documentaries both Kalari and Kung Fu perhaps are the most ancient the most structured and have techniques that have stretched for many generations back but really does it matter who was first.
Who was first, and domt give that gave man stuff, systemized fighting methods, martial arts, are tactics and structure that is used on a large scale. Involving the transmission to others in order to battle an opposing force.
Being first is a big issue with many. However, the "Best" is always "Last"
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Being first is a big issue with many. However, the "Best" is always "Last"
Quite true I guess the best usually incorporates many styles and ivolves over time. I would hope being first is not a issue it can hinder the practioners learning and put them in their own box. The most advanced martial artists once they have mastered one art combine many styles and thereore make great progress.
I agree with the comments that Martial Arts just came to be out of necessity.
Martials Arts are basically just a systemized way of fighting. Humans have been fighting other animals for food since Day one and it's been proven that our ancestors came up with a systematic way of killing animals. They repeatedly used the same techniques to kill certain prey. Eventually they end up killing eachother and figure out more efficient ways of fighting eachother. Just like how to kill animals, the ways of fighting eachother get passed on generation to generation.
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