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India, Africa, Iran, Iraq......China used to be thought as, but it would seem that per a systematic fighting force of culture, it would have to be these places other than China.
Though China is often accredited to aiding Japan's MA development over millenium.
The key owrds here are "sysytematic fighting force. Where a group, or tribal, use the same methods, and or tools, study and teach these, to overcome the next. And not of these "caveman" who didnt have the higher intelligence to use systematic study and teaching.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
India, Africa, Iran, Iraq......China used to be thought as, but it would seem that per a systematic fighting force of culture, it would have to be these places other than China.
Though China is often accredited to aiding Japan's MA development over millenium.
The key owrds here are "sysytematic fighting force. Where a group, or tribal, use the same methods, and or tools, study and teach these, to overcome the next. And not of these "caveman" who didnt have the higher intelligence to use systematic study and teaching.
All of which were part of the Persian empire. So what about when the Greeks conquored Persia?
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No I agree with you I'm just saying that a conquering society ussually spreads it's culture as well.
Well, spreading a culture isn't limited to the conquerer. Often the conquered people still living in the society have an influence on it. Rome is a great example of this.
Sometimes the conquerers sprad around the conquered stuff, until it is no longer original. But heck, if it was conquered, then it didnt fair so well in the first place.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Sometimes the conquerers sprad around the conquered stuff, until it is no longer original. But heck, if it was conquered, then it didnt fair so well in the first place.
Not really true alot of that is based on the size of the opposing force. With the movie 300 there has been this kind of unrealistic vision of the Spartans but, in reality they were still pretty bad ass. My father is from Sparti which is modern day Sparta so we were kind of raised with the whole history of the Spartans shoved down our throats. But for example when Rome conquored Greece (I use the term concour lightly because the political and military power switched from Greece to Rome but, Greece still remained a vital part of the empire and was the second largest language spoke with in the empire after Latin, In fact the Roman empire eventually split in to a west and east empire. The east was Greek controlled from Alexandria and is normally referred to as the Byzantine empire) but, after Rome gained control and made it self the head of the empire they changed their army combative style to the Spartan phalenx.
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Not really true alot of that is based on the size of the opposing force. With the movie 300 there has been this kind of unrealistic vision of the Spartans but, in reality they were still pretty bad ass. My father is from Sparti which is modern day Sparta so we were kind of raised with the whole history of the Spartans shoved down our throats. But for example when Rome conquored Greece (I use the term concour lightly because the political and military power switched from Greece to Rome but, Greece still remained a vital part of the empire and was the second largest language spoke with in the empire after Latin, In fact the Roman empire eventually split in to a west and east empire. The east was Greek controlled from Alexandria and is normally referred to as the Byzantine empire) but, after Rome gained control and made it self the head of the empire they changed their army combative style to the Spartan phalenx.
I am not saying that a "winning" army may have not "learned something" from a losing one. I am saying that a conquering army, after such, tended to spread their better/proven experience and thus the conquered methods, per less effective, would be outcasted.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
I am not saying that a "winning" army may have not "learned something" from a losing one. I am saying that a conquering army, after such, tended to spread their better/proven experience and thus the conquered methods, per less effective, would be outcasted.
Yeah I can agree with that.
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Not really true alot of that is based on the size of the opposing force. With the movie 300 there has been this kind of unrealistic vision of the Spartans but, in reality they were still pretty bad ass. My father is from Sparti which is modern day Sparta so we were kind of raised with the whole history of the Spartans shoved down our throats. But for example when Rome conquored Greece (I use the term concour lightly because the political and military power switched from Greece to Rome but, Greece still remained a vital part of the empire and was the second largest language spoke with in the empire after Latin, In fact the Roman empire eventually split in to a west and east empire. The east was Greek controlled from Alexandria and is normally referred to as the Byzantine empire) but, after Rome gained control and made it self the head of the empire they changed their army combative style to the Spartan phalenx.
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I am not saying that a "winning" army may have not "learned something" from a losing one. I am saying that a conquering army, after such, tended to spread their better/proven experience and thus the conquered methods, per less effective, would be outcasted.
Specifically why this happened, I think, is because of the general Roman idea of adopting people as Romans. A strange bit of history is that as Rome was growing, people who were viewed as barbarians one day, could be viewed as Romans the next.
So, Rome is in contact with the Greeks, the Greeks become Romans, Rome adopts many aspects of Greece (such as military tactics and mythology). That strategy was what let Rome become so big. Also, it is what led Rome to collapse under its own weight.
Bro what about those animal forms. What if humans decided to create an animal form for the gorilla. Old school MA dojos would have a completely different feel to them.
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martial arts, from what I understand, started around 2000 years ago in japan. this first martial art was called shaolin kempo and every other martial art branched off of it.
but of course this is the extent of my knowledge of the origin of martial arts, other than the fact that karate means "empty hand" in Japanese
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martial arts, from what I understand, started around 2000 years ago in japan. this first martial art was called shaolin kempo and every other martial art branched off of it.
but of course this is the extent of my knowledge of the origin of martial arts, other than the fact that karate means "empty hand" in Japanese
Having read a few of your other posts I'm thinking you are either a youngster or new to martial arts (no I don't judge either of these to be bad and am not trying to insult you). So here's a few points.
Shaolin: Originated in China (as in Shaolin monastries).
Kempo: Japanese translation of Chinese word Quanfa. (Sorry but I don't know how to do all the little dashes and what not above the a's).
Karate: An Okinawan word.
Hope that helps you a bit and remember that being wrong on a forum is a lot better than being wrong in a fight.
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and China can be said to have been heavily influenced by Indian and African martial arts.
a study on Occidental arts will show Europe's martial arts development from ancient times
every civilization from the earliest beginnings had a form of martial arts 2 of the world's oldest martial arts you will see often well documented in ancient civilizations are
boxing and wrestling
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