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My 2 cents. Having trained mostly on Korean arts with emphasis on standup (even then, mostly kicks) I do like the stand up styles but I'm not blind to see that other aspects are important, if I'm training to be MMA fighter. If I was training to be an Olympic TKD, I'd forget the wrestling and concentrate on what scores the points. I did wrestle 2 years in high school and it's a great addition to overall training. Again, if you go by the "rules", wrestling is different than BJJ or MMA, since in high school wrestling, you try not to be on your back even if you are in more controlled position.
My point is that MMA shouldn't be looked upon as a "favorite" group of arts.
Now in competiton, as you had stated, of course the training should reflect the match/rules.
But, MMA is not just a sport. It is a concept. One that has been around.
TMA is also MMA. MMA is also TMA nowadays.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
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So MMA is only about sport?
Moot question. If you are training to defend take downs or take down someone, wrestling is the most common and best bet. Doesn't really matter what the format of the engagement is, does it?
Moot question. If you are training to defend take downs or take down someone, wrestling is the most common and best bet. Doesn't really matter what the format of the engagement is, does it?
SO BJJ/JJ/JUDO/CHINESE ART, ETC., DOESNT HAVE TAKEDOWNS? Dont learn how to defend aginst?
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
SO BJJ/JJ/JUDO/CHINESE ART, ETC., DOESNT HAVE TAKEDOWNS? Dont learn how to defend aginst?
Not to the extent of wrestling that is the whole point. And thank you for bringing up Judo because do you know what it is a recognized style of? Did anybody guess wrestling?
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SO BJJ/JJ/JUDO/CHINESE ART, ETC., DOESNT HAVE TAKEDOWNS? Dont learn how to defend aginst?
I've been a Chinese artist for 20 years. Without a doubt there are many takedowns. However, what little wrestling I have learned has taught me the best defenses against most take downs I see. Most of the counters I know from the Chinese systems are very technique specific. The counters I know from the wrestling is more general. If you are doing MMA, I believe it would be foolish not to seek some wrestling training.
As far as TMA being MMA, and MMA being TMA, your using semantics to support your arguement. MMA is now recognized as refering to a specific sport, much like kung fu ( gung fu ) references Chinese martial arts. In my opinion, it is silly to argue over what is already an accepted term.
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So a good wrestler can control where the fight happens
Good martial artists in general do this, not just wrestlers. I have stated in the past that this is actually one of the most important aspects of self-defense and fighting and it would be rare for one to lose if you had complete control over the distance of the fight (provided that you had a general idea of your opponent's skill levels).
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Hmmmn, am I incorrect or uncorrect?
Hmmmn, what does the forst "M"/word mean?
In order to fight MMA, you need to cross train, so MMA is not cross training?....Hmmnnn
MMA is an athletic competition. Cross training is studying multiple martial arts with the goal of becoming well rounded. I think you may be committing some kind of logical fallacy here without realizing it. Just because all squares are rectangles, that doesn't mean that all rectangles are squares. Likewise, just because all Mixed Martial Arts involves cross training, that doesn't mean that all cross training involves Mixed Martial Arts (Note the capitals).
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