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What is the kumite? I quite want to take kyokushin karate, it looks so vicious.
Kumite is basically sparring. In kyokushin we had two types: full contact with padded head gear and wearing bag gloves to protect the knuckles, or full contact with no pads. In the second type punches to the body are allowed but no punches to the head. Kicking to the head or legs is okay, and knee strikes could be used.
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Kumite is basically sparring. In kyokushin we had two types: full contact with padded head gear and wearing bag gloves to protect the knuckles, or full contact with no pads. In the second type punches to the body are allowed but no punches to the head. Kicking to the head or legs is okay, and knee strikes could be used.
I saw some videos on how they train in the modern day, and it's not like how some martial arts dull down over time and become more civil and humane, you get hit by shinais and punched as conditioning. Looks fun.
And judging by everybody's response, I guess any martial arts can be brutal, judge depends on which side of the punch you're on.
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Originally Posted by N.B
If what I heard about Kempo is true, then it is by far the most violent martial art, what with pulling off peoples limbs and whatnot.
I used to spar and train with a Kenpo master named Garth. He was something. Anything you'd hit him with would get broken. Kenpo is also incorporated into Kajukenbo. He was a good friend of my Sifu.
He was so bouncy and quick. The guy would hit over 12 times in a second. Very precise.
My question is then...are we talking about the same art...Kenpo and Kempo?
Now here is a question... is deadly the same as violent? For instance, a person who is poisoned and dies in their sleep surely didn't suffer a violent death.
However, apart from some mystical pressure point art which may or may not actually exist, I think that being deadly with your hands will always be similar to violence.
Now here is a question... is deadly the same as violent? For instance, a person who is poisoned and dies in their sleep surely didn't suffer a violent death.
However, apart from some mystical pressure point art which may or may not actually exist, I think that being deadly with your hands will always be similar to violence.
Being poisoned may have been violent. The body may have been in convulsions, etc.
But, I see what you mean.
Which is why in court, martial artists have to be careful.
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Originally Posted by XDEATHGOD
he could hit 12 times in asecond?
Yeah, he could even go faster sometimes then that. Though, in order to persist so many strikes per a second he would mix up the sequences. Combinations of fist, elbow, knee, kick, and other body parts coming from different locations all spread out. It makes blocking confusing and more difficult. Any one of those strikes is capable of inflicting critical damage.
My Sifu also moves with great speed. I would often observe the two of them sparring, though Garth seems a little quicker, Sifu's strikes where more explosive. They were at the time, I'd say, equally matched. Both of them knew their own bodies very well, they knew their weaknesses and strength's, and watching them fight was almost as interesting as fighting them directly! By now they could only be better.
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"Martial arts ain't about how many punches you can throw per second, or how many hits from a pole you can take. It's about beating your opponent to a pulp. - Sammy Chong"
I don't know if I consider martial arts to be simply beating people up? The word Martial pertains to specialized physical qualities and Art is that it is an art of developing specialized physical qualities. Those qualities don't always need to be used to beat people up.
Perhaps I am being too technical with the word? Just searching for clarity. Is there a better word for the meaning: Beating your opponent to a pulp? Devastating? Not sure...
In terms of beating your opponent to a pulp, I have rarely if ever seen a slower person with the advantage in a fight. If one guy moves two times quicker then the other, the other almost always will lose.
Then the reference to take hits from a pole...if I understand it as the ability to endure damage, this is also a crucial ability in a fight. Better is it to learn how to deflect damage and reduce it as much as possible!
I have seen many fights end in a flash simply because one guy didn't know how to deal with the shock of being punched. He either collapse immediately or froze in fear and lost any chance he had. The psyche plays a major role in fighting, mentality is not to be overlooked.
Oh..but what is the most violent? I would say that it is an not art style itself so much as a way of behaving. I might have learned Tai-Chi and then somehow with an imagination and a violent drive turn it into a bloodier version. Is it that the art is training this behavior and is thus a violent art, or could we break it down more?
Now here is a question... is deadly the same as violent? For instance, a person who is poisoned and dies in their sleep surely didn't suffer a violent death.
However, apart from some mystical pressure point art which may or may not actually exist, I think that being deadly with your hands will always be similar to violence.
Or he could have been poisoned violently, his assailants could have restrained him and shoved it in his throat.
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In Gung-Fu, we often speak of an art and its level of cruelty. Arts that very specifically target vital areas, use mostly rips, gouges,and pokes to soft tissue and eyes and throat,arts that rather than simply locking a joint,prefer to immediately break it, are considered cruel. This is not meant in a negative way, but simply as a reference. Hung-Ga, Bak Mei, Jook Lum are considered very cruel. Shuai-Jiao, due to its preference for joint breaking -and throwing an attacker on his head, or spine, is also very cruel. Yip Man's Wing-Chun-not as cruel,but just as effective. Pek Kwar, also not as cruel-but when mixed with Dai Seng (Great Sage Monkey Style)becomes very cruel.(nasty creatures, those monkeys)Hak Fu Mun(Black Tiger Style) very cruel.
Personally, I believe this definition of cruelty is what led me to the arts that are my main focus. Being a smaller guy, I needed an art that did not rely on strength, and could defeat a much larger opponent. Hung-Ga had the reputation for being just that-plus the fact that they develop tremendous power through full body integration. Jook Lum, because of its pinpoint accuracy in hitting vital areas,and its rapid fire machine-gun like striking. Shuai-Jiao because I wanted to learn more about grappling and throws, but not jump on the BJJ bandwagon, keep it Chinese, and because once I felt it, I was sold. That, and the fact that Chang Dung-Shen fought many challenges, and even killed a few people using Shuai-Jiao was a good example of an art's effectiveness, in real-time.
As far as kyokushin is concerned, it was one of the first styles I was exposed to. I still teach saamjien kuen (an older Chinese version of sanchin kata)to my students, and we spar bare knuckle,hard contact to the body, just as was mentioned.
-this is only one method of our sparring, but it is the first thing a student learns. There is a huge difference between getting hit, and getting hurt. This helps them break that connection, and develop greater courage.
It's not necessarily the style that makes it brutal/violent. For example, a TKD practicioner could land a sidekick to the knee, breaking bones and tearing tendons, an elbow to the face breaking more bones and then another strong sidekick to the ribs puncturing a lung. I wouldn't normally say TKD is brutal but in this case the guy on the receiving end would probably think so.
However, as far as training and mentality of fighting, I think Muy Thai would rank up there. My YWR instructor always said that there was an old saying
"Muy Thai is like two tigers fighting. One dies in the fight, the other goes home to die."
All in all, I would still say that all styles can be brutal in their own right, it depends on how you train. And if that training includes "Monkey grabs the peach" then you know how brutal you are training.
Most violent martial art?
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