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Styles: Currently: BJJ, JKD, Judo. Past: Krav Maga, Kickboxing, Haganah, Tang Soo Do
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
And don't forget, while you're looking for all those dirty tricks you're assuming I won't be doing them to you first. Why do you think I won't bite you, rip your face, kick your groin?
I guarantee you I will be in a better position for these things than you will.
The one thing is, I am not talking about YOU in particular nor was I ever. I was simply speaking in general about your theory of tournaments being a way to weed out fakes. I see some of your points in that regard> We both study and compete in grappling arts so obviously I see a benefit in those arts. However it's not a doctrine that is written in granite by the finger of the almighty himself.
Just as you say you will be able to do all sorts of things to a person befor ehe gets a chance to do anything, there are boxers and kickboxers and people of various styles that are going to make the same claims and yes, we all can use dirty tricks.
MMA implies training in the following disciplines:
Wrestling
Submission
Boxing
Kickboxin
I have heard you explain many times on this forum how you were cross training long before MMA became popular and therefore have been doing MMA for years. So, can you please give us your experience in those areas listed above? Please include years training in the art, and whom you trained with and when.
Thanks!
Hmmn, got look upon your description further.
Isnt wrestling the same as submission?
Is Judo/Jiu Jitsu a form of wrestling and/or submission?
Is JKD a MMA?
The problem people have is they think MMA is such a new term or a new method, a new study, or a new art......
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
The one thing is, I am not talking about YOU in particular nor was I ever. I was simply speaking in general about your theory of tournaments being a way to weed out fakes. I see some of your points in that regard> We both study and compete in grappling arts so obviously I see a benefit in those arts. However it's not a doctrine that is written in granite by the finger of the almighty himself.
Just as you say you will be able to do all sorts of things to a person befor ehe gets a chance to do anything, there are boxers and kickboxers and people of various styles that are going to make the same claims and yes, we all can use dirty tricks.
I know you're not actually talking about me, I'm using "Me" or "I" as a generic term for quality grapplers. And when it comes down to it, I am one of the biggest advocates of cross training you will ever find in the BJJ community. I'm not one of these guys who thinks BJJ is all you need for MMA. And of course it would benefit anyone to cross train for self defense as well.
Styles: Currently: BJJ, JKD, Judo. Past: Krav Maga, Kickboxing, Haganah, Tang Soo Do
Posts: 262
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
I know you're not actually talking about me, I'm using "Me" or "I" as a generic term for quality grapplers. And when it comes down to it, I am one of the biggest advocates of cross training you will ever find in the BJJ community. I'm not one of these guys who thinks BJJ is all you need for MMA. And of course it would benefit anyone to cross train for self defense as well.
I agree. I actually began BJJ as a form of cross training because i felt I needed to add something more to my stand up.
Only thing is, I really fell in love with it and now it's my main study.
Hmmn, got look upon your description further.
Isnt wrestling the same as submission?
Is Judo/Jiu Jitsu a form of wrestling and/or submission?
Is JKD a MMA?
The problem people have is they think MMA is such a new term or a new method, a new study, or a new art......
No, wrestling training does not imply submission. That is usually best learned at a BJJ/MMA/Pancrase/Judo/Sambo/Shoot Fighting school.
I would consider Judo wrestling/submission. I would consider JJJ as submission.
I agree. I actually began BJJ as a form of cross training because i felt I needed to add something more to my stand up.
Only thing is, I really fell in love with it and now it's my main study.
I KNOW DUDE! It happens to most people who start, it's just so much fun. I always tell my students when they sign up that I hope they enjoyed their life before because they just changed it. They now can expect much more time sitting around going over moves in your mind and waking up with your pillow in a triangle.
I have heard you explain many times on this forum how you were cross training long before MMA became popular and therefore have been doing MMA for years. So, can you please give us your experience in those areas listed above? Please include years training in the art, and whom you trained with and when.
Haha! You sound like a young me. Asking 47MM what styles he studied and expecting a straight answer.
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
Control of one's ability to use his arms, legs, hips, head are CRITICAL for any grappling. This just happens to translate well for MMA/Self defense as well.
Quick correction, this translates to everything. If you are uncoordinated you will lose every match every time verses any coordinated person trained in any art... well... a little less absolute, but I got the message across.
Haha! You sound like a young me. Asking 47MM what styles he studied and expecting a straight answer.
Depends on how "straight" the question was. (Though a question may have a straight representation, some have a curved, hidden purpose/meaning)
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Originally Posted by Chapel
Quick correction, this translates to everything. If you are uncoordinated you will lose every match every time verses any coordinated person trained in any art... well... a little less absolute, but I got the message across.
Makes sense to me, but I wouldn't use the term "uncoordinated" ....sounds like a handicap of a different sort.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
If you want to be good at MMA you need some sort of wrestling training.
So says people who are into wrestling.
It would seem BJJ,or other art of same structure would surfice in this category
The techniques utilized in mixed martial arts generally fall into two categories: striking techniques (such as kicks, knees and punches) and grappling techniques (such as clinch holds, pinning holds, submission holds, sweeps, takedowns and throws). As mixed martial arts has no international sanctioning body, rules may vary between promotions. While the legality of some techniques (such as elbow strikes, headbutts and spinal locks) may vary, there is a near universal ban on techniques such as biting, strikes to the groin, eye-gouging, fish-hooking and small joint manipulation.
Don't see where some arts are favored over others for these tactics.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
47MM,
I have heard you explain many times on this forum how you were cross training long before MMA became popular and therefore have been doing MMA for years. So, can you please give us your experience in those areas listed above? Please include years training in the art, and whom you trained with and when.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Chapel
Haha! You sound like a young me. Asking 47MM what styles he studied and expecting a straight answer.
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan
Depends on how "straight" the question was. (Though a question may have a straight representation, some have a curved, hidden purpose/meaning)
I don't know, 47MM. That sounded like a pretty straight-forward question from Joe. What would it hurt to actually give an answer? Why sidestep it by suggesting there is some hidden agenda to his question? Unless, of course, you have something to hide.
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I don't know, 47MM. That sounded like a pretty straight-forward question from Joe. What would it hurt to actually give an answer? Why sidestep it by suggesting there is some hidden agenda to his question? Unless, of course, you have something to hide.
GO GET 'IM SOULDRUM!
I don't expect legit answers, actually. I've already come to grips with the fact that 47MM is mostly a troll. He just tries to bait people into arguments he doesn't actually agree with, hence a troll.
Being a troll is fun, but it takes away from any credibility he has. So when it comes to discussions about actual fighting stuff, I don't really expect credible answers.
It would seem BJJ,or other art of same structure would surfice in this category
The techniques utilized in mixed martial arts generally fall into two categories: striking techniques (such as kicks, knees and punches) and grappling techniques (such as clinch holds, pinning holds, submission holds, sweeps, takedowns and throws). As mixed martial arts has no international sanctioning body, rules may vary between promotions. While the legality of some techniques (such as elbow strikes, headbutts and spinal locks) may vary, there is a near universal ban on techniques such as biting, strikes to the groin, eye-gouging, fish-hooking and small joint manipulation.
Don't see where some arts are favored over others for these tactics.
Not quite submission grappling from the ground is not the same as wrestling. While there are take downs in bjj it's not as in depth as wrestling. Look at Joe and myself for example Joe is way more experienced in bjj then I am but, I have more wrestling. I would use my wrestling to try and counter his bjj, avoid the take down and if it went to the ground try to maintain top position and stay out of his guard. While he would try to keep me in his guard or on my back.
As far as Judo goes they have good throws but, so do I and my throws are all meant to be done with out a gi. I do consider Judo a style of wrestling though and a good substitute for MMA training but, you have to tweak your Judo for MMA.
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