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Therefore, you are saying that a fight in the street has to have a degree of mental and/or preparation other than winning TKD/MMA matches.....
Bingo... Thats why every RSD expert worth his own butt teaches basic psychology & common set ups for altercations. Nothing is as simple as running away unless you want to be stabbed/shot in the back or are a cross country runner
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And yet a slave to my own soul...
Bingo... Thats why every RSD expert worth his own butt teaches basic psychology & common set ups for altercations. Nothing is as simple as running away unless you want to be stabbed/shot in the back or are a cross country runner
For those who may not know, what is RSD.................
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Seriously Draven, you aren't saying anything other than that really.
Yes, so why is so hard to belive that a criminal; a person raised and/or "educated" in a sub-culture of illegal actions isn't going to be prepared? No Joe, how about you tell me how an attack on the street will come? Add some detail to and explain why its going to be that way and lets see if it stacks up with realistic thinking...
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
Draven,
You're making me actually start to laugh with you bad use of good knowledge.
First of all, the total amount of actual pyschopaths in any given society is EXTREMELY low (1% is WAY high, not sure where you got that statistic!). Same with Sociopaths and extreme Anti-Social behavioral disorder cases. It's irresponsible to categorize all criminal behavior into these mental disorders and completely inaccurate.
Joe, I'm happy you looked up the statistics but you did notice something in the definitions I posted right?
1- In order to be labelled a psychopath you have to 18 or older that means clinically speaking the Columbine kids weren't psychopaths. Psychopaths are extremely addept at concealing their true nature, which is why most people don't see them coming until its too late...
2- That 1% is only estimated cases "It is estimated that approximately 1% of the general population are psychopaths. They are overrepresented in prison systems, politics, law enforcement agencies, law firms, and in the media.[4][5][6]"
3- Psychopaths are a stretch, even I'll admit that. But, anti-social people are essentually the main stay of all criminals. One need not be a psychopath to be anti-social, but you have to be anti-social to be a pyschopath. So that from Wiki "The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate[182] and total prison population[183] in the world and by far the highest figures among democratic, developed nations. At the start of 2008, more than 2.3 million people were held in American prisons or jails, more than one in every 100 adults.[184]" So by assessing the current trends at the beginning of this year we have 2.3 millions poeple in America with anti-social treats or behavior disorder. So while a majority of 304,080,000 Americans are law abiding citizens who will never mug, rape or kill another American, their 2.3 million documented cases of one's who will.
4- That speifically addresses the problems
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
Second of all, if you feel that you need to train for self defense against a psychopathic killer then you go right ahead! I mean, that seems a bit paranoid and kind of weird that you feel you need to do that, but whatever you feel you need to do. I would still be willing to put money down that against any skilled MMA guy you would get your ass kicked.
Thats fine and to an extent I'll agree with you, in cage I may well lose. But, on the street I'll shoot the other guy dead as a door nail. You want to argue skill because thats all you train for, tell Joe how do you spot the approach stage? How do you know something is not right?
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Third of all based on what you've alread said about yourself on this forum YOU are the one you should be training for! I mean, you are the one with the criminal record for beating up a bunch of basically innocent people! You are the one training for fighing people, how ironic....
Actually Joe, I was shot up on Romazicon (4 times normal dose) which has halucinogenic effects and until the LEO overstepped his bounds and grabbed me. So my incident doesn't mean anything and I had a Psych-evaluation and come up perfectly normal except from some PTSD from the military (which you never served) who was misdianosed and shot up with a drug similar to "speed" while I had a concussion and hemerage in my brain. The the Veterans Affairs Police (hospital security) where trying to protect the hospital by physicallt assaulting me. Uniforms nor positions do make people correct in their actions, nor does it excuse them of stupidity it only places on them a large burden to be right.
Of course let us assume your right and I am a psychopath warning you all to avoid people like me. Then it adds more fuel to my fire, I mean I'm Charlse Manson telling you how to avoid other people just like me. It means I know about things from an angle you'll never see and your the guy who just refuses to pay attention to becuase I'm the "bad guy."
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
Ever hear the saying that people who study psychology are really just trying to understand themselves?
Yes I have, I've also read Sun Tzu and paid attention when he wrote know your enemy and know yourself. Hense the reason I took psychology classes. Understanding myself, so that I can improve myself but wait that means if I'm the "Pyschopath" you say I am, then I'm a thousand times more dangerous then your MMA skills are able to deal with. All that military, martial arts, psychology classes and wait the fact I'm the "evil Draven."
Since you are bringing up my criminal (one misdemeaner) background and making what seems like personal attacks, I'll assume your avoiding the issue that martial arts training doesn't matter unless it defends your life in a serious situation. You also seem competive to the point you would just rather assume you can beat up the other guy rather then say, sure we don't teach being avoidance, desulation, and violence to the extent of doing serious bodily damage and breaking contact; because we don't aviod, descilate a situation to avoid physical violence or practice methods that seriously injure or kill another person because we have to fight in cage. We signed up to fight each other for sport and that is hardly the same as dealing with a mugger, a car jacker or even some idiot who wants to threan you because he is suffering from road rage. And we don't train to deal with situations in areas where street gangs and groups of criminals live.
You don't train for those environments because you'll never live there you'll train for the next competition and that fine. But, training for violence & living in violence are different things and you don't seem toe realize thats what I'm saying. In MMA there are rules, and mats and the intent is to win. In the street, there are no rules, there is asphalt and concrete and even a simple DLT can kill a person and the intent is to survive. I was raised in a Trailer Parks with bikers and drunks, in low income housing projects with adicts and wonnabe thugs, and as an adult in the military (because like attracts like) I hung with people from similar backgrounds. Out the military I've worked with kids who came from the same back ground as I did, as I fought my way up from. So yeah, I do know where I'm coming from, I'm coming from a "train to survive" mindset...
__________________
My Personal Mantra:
Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
For those who may not know, what is RSD.................
Realistic Self-Defense, not to be confused with Reality Based Self-Defense since even a karate, aikido, bjj, ninjitsu, savate, boxing or whatever school can claim to teach realistic self-defense and fighting tactics. RBSD (reality based self-defense) schools usually teach either "street based" modifide martial arts (such as SPEAR, Combat Hapkido etc.) or Military (military based) hand-to-hand combatives.
While RBSD is a niche in the martial arts community, RSD is just something almost every MA/MMA instructor claims they can teach you. Most in my personal expeience can't...
__________________
My Personal Mantra:
Where I walk, I walk alone...
Given unto the winds, I am free...
And yet a slave to my own soul...
Yes, so why is so hard to belive that a criminal; a person raised and/or "educated" in a sub-culture of illegal actions isn't going to be prepared? No Joe, how about you tell me how an attack on the street will come? Add some detail to and explain why its going to be that way and lets see if it stacks up with realistic thinking...
Joe, I'm happy you looked up the statistics but you did notice something in the definitions I posted right?
1- In order to be labelled a psychopath you have to 18 or older that means clinically speaking the Columbine kids weren't psychopaths. Psychopaths are extremely addept at concealing their true nature, which is why most people don't see them coming until its too late...
2- That 1% is only estimated cases "It is estimated that approximately 1% of the general population are psychopaths. They are overrepresented in prison systems, politics, law enforcement agencies, law firms, and in the media.[4][5][6]"
3- Psychopaths are a stretch, even I'll admit that. But, anti-social people are essentually the main stay of all criminals. One need not be a psychopath to be anti-social, but you have to be anti-social to be a pyschopath. So that from Wiki "The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate[182] and total prison population[183] in the world and by far the highest figures among democratic, developed nations. At the start of 2008, more than 2.3 million people were held in American prisons or jails, more than one in every 100 adults.[184]" So by assessing the current trends at the beginning of this year we have 2.3 millions poeple in America with anti-social treats or behavior disorder. So while a majority of 304,080,000 Americans are law abiding citizens who will never mug, rape or kill another American, their 2.3 million documented cases of one's who will.
4- That speifically addresses the problems
Thats fine and to an extent I'll agree with you, in cage I may well lose. But, on the street I'll shoot the other guy dead as a door nail. You want to argue skill because thats all you train for, tell Joe how do you spot the approach stage? How do you know something is not right?
This is assuming that you have a gun. Why are you shooting me dude like I said before she came on to me How does anyone really determine the approach or tell when something is not right? Isn't each person different? Maybe my boil point be differnt from someone elses?
Actually Joe, I was shot up on Romazicon (4 times normal dose) which has halucinogenic effects and until the LEO overstepped his bounds and grabbed me. So my incident doesn't mean anything and I had a Psych-evaluation and come up perfectly normal except from some PTSD from the military (which you never served) who was misdianosed and shot up with a drug similar to "speed" while I had a concussion and hemerage in my brain. The the Veterans Affairs Police (hospital security) where trying to protect the hospital by physicallt assaulting me. Uniforms nor positions do make people correct in their actions, nor does it excuse them of stupidity it only places on them a large burden to be right.
Of course let us assume your right and I am a psychopath warning you all to avoid people like me. Then it adds more fuel to my fire, I mean I'm Charlse Manson telling you how to avoid other people just like me. It means I know about things from an angle you'll never see and your the guy who just refuses to pay attention to becuase I'm the "bad guy."
This reminds me of scarface and makes me laugh. Thanks
Yes I have, I've also read Sun Tzu and paid attention when he wrote know your enemy and know yourself. Hense the reason I took psychology classes. Understanding myself, so that I can improve myself but wait that means if I'm the "Pyschopath" you say I am, then I'm a thousand times more dangerous then your MMA skills are able to deal with. All that military, martial arts, psychology classes and wait the fact I'm the "evil Draven."
Since you are bringing up my criminal (one misdemeaner) background and making what seems like personal attacks, I'll assume your avoiding the issue that martial arts training doesn't matter unless it defends your life in a serious situation. You also seem competive to the point you would just rather assume you can beat up the other guy rather then say, sure we don't teach being avoidance, desulation, and violence to the extent of doing serious bodily damage and breaking contact; because we don't aviod, descilate a situation to avoid physical violence or practice methods that seriously injure or kill another person because we have to fight in cage. We signed up to fight each other for sport and that is hardly the same as dealing with a mugger, a car jacker or even some idiot who wants to threan you because he is suffering from road rage. And we don't train to deal with situations in areas where street gangs and groups of criminals live.
You don't train for those environments because you'll never live there you'll train for the next competition and that fine. But, training for violence & living in violence are different things and you don't seem toe realize thats what I'm saying. In MMA there are rules, and mats and the intent is to win. In the street, there are no rules, there is asphalt and concrete and even a simple DLT (What is a DLT? Sounds delicious)can kill a person and the intent is to survive. I was raised in a Trailer Parks with bikers and drunks, in low income housing projects with adicts and wonnabe thugs, and as an adult in the military (because like attracts like) I hung with people from similar backgrounds. Out the military I've worked with kids who came from the same back ground as I did, as I fought my way up from. So yeah, I do know where I'm coming from, I'm coming from a "train to survive" mindset...
Draven, although I may be confrontational some times. I have to disagree to a large portion of what you're saying. It's like saying expect the unexpected Thats just my opinion bro.
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Everything I know in life, I learned from watching the Fall Guy.
Realistic Self-Defense, not to be confused with Reality Based Self-Defense since even a karate, aikido, bjj, ninjitsu, savate, boxing or whatever school can claim to teach realistic self-defense and fighting tactics. RBSD (reality based self-defense) schools usually teach either "street based" modifide martial arts (such as SPEAR, Combat Hapkido etc.) or Military (military based) hand-to-hand combatives.
While RBSD is a niche in the martial arts community, RSD is just something almost every MA/MMA instructor claims they can teach you. Most in my personal expeience can't...
To me RSD seemd like another term to say RBSD, though you say they are different.
RSD seems to be close to Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, Repetitive Stress Disorder, Relative Standard Deviation, Remote Sensing Data, RoadSide Delivery, Really Simple Discovery, wtc.
RBSD, seeems to be tied into defense per a better ancroynym
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Realistic Self-Defense, not to be confused with Reality Based Self-Defense since even a karate, aikido, bjj, ninjitsu, savate, boxing or whatever school can claim to teach realistic self-defense and fighting tactics. RBSD (reality based self-defense) schools usually teach either "street based" modifide martial arts (such as SPEAR, Combat Hapkido etc.) or Military (military based) hand-to-hand combatives.
While RBSD is a niche in the martial arts community, RSD is just something almost every MA/MMA instructor claims they can teach you. Most in my personal expeience can't...
I ask you again Draven...
How many MMA matches have you had? How many MMA fighters have you trained? And how many MMA fighters have you been in a fight with?
And don't make assumptions about my background cause you don't know cause I'm not dumb enough to post that information on a public forum. Some of us are professionals with jobs and securit clearances and know that employers do searches on the web nowadays for information about potential employees/candidates.
You are one of these people who is plagued with terminal uniqueness Draven. Do you honestly believe that most MMA fighters DIDN'T come from the streets?
Do you really, really, truly think that?
You know SO VERY LITTLE about what you are trying to argue with educated people about. Go do some more homework before continuing with me cause you're out of your league.
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Draven, you still hadnt replied to my post. Though I know Joe tickles you.
A lot of your posts have been kind of Elton John today, whats up with that MM47?
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Originally Posted by Draven
Realistic Self-Defense, not to be confused with Reality Based Self-Defense since even a karate, aikido, bjj, ninjitsu, savate, boxing or whatever school can claim to teach realistic self-defense and fighting tactics. RBSD (reality based self-defense) schools usually teach either "street based" modifide martial arts (such as SPEAR, Combat Hapkido etc.) or Military (military based) hand-to-hand combatives.
While RBSD is a niche in the martial arts community, RSD is just something almost every MA/MMA instructor claims they can teach you. Most in my personal expeience can't...
So you think that an RBSD better prepares you for a trip to the movies? Do you think RBSD systems make people paranoid?
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I'm a shark, the ground game is my ocean. And most people don't know how to swim. Oh yeah and I can knock you out too
Everything I know in life, I learned from watching the Fall Guy.
Critics of "sport" martial arts
Then it adds more fuel to my fire, I mean I'm Charlse Manson telling you how to avoid other people just like me. It means I know about things from an angle you'll never see and your the guy who just refuses to pay attention to becuase I'm the "bad guy."
you say I am, then I'm a thousand times more dangerous then your MMA skills are able to deal with. All that military, martial arts, psychology classes and wait the fact I'm the "evil Draven." 
How does anyone really determine the approach or tell when something is not right? Isn't each person different? Maybe my boil point be differnt from someone elses?