Critics of "sport" martial arts

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I ask you again Draven...

How many MMA matches have you had? How many MMA fighters have you trained? And how many MMA fighters have you been in a fight with?

And don't make assumptions about my background cause you don't know cause I'm not dumb enough to post that information on a public forum. Some of us are professionals with jobs and securit clearances and know that employers do searches on the web nowadays for information about potential employees/candidates.

You are one of these people who is plagued with terminal uniqueness Draven. Do you honestly believe that most MMA fighters DIDN'T come from the streets?

Do you really, really, truly think that?

You know SO VERY LITTLE about what you are trying to argue with educated people about. Go do some more homework before continuing with me cause you're out of your league.

If I could buy you a trophy I would dude

[Lone Ronin SBK]

It really kind of depends on the sport you train in,and how restrictive the rules are.

Rules restricting excessive movement like rushing into an attack you know you can't win,obviously they have rules to prevent stupidity and other products of ego. I'm not
going to attaack someone with brute strength if i know they are stronger than me, instead observe were there weakness is.


But rules can also be a bit to restrictive,moderation is key,rules are good if it instills strategic thinking, but to many rules can make a unrealistic fighting scenario.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

A lot of your posts have been kind of Elton John today, whats up with that MM47?

"Elton John" O-O, What do you mean by that?

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

1.) So you think that an RBSD better prepares you for a trip to the movies? 2.) Do you think RBSD systems make people paranoid?

1.) Yes - RBSD is the Regional Bus Service Department

2.) To make people paranoid, you dont kneed RBSD, you need LSD

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Lone Ronin SBK

It really kind of depends on the sport you train in,and how restrictive the rules are.

UFC rules......

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I ask you again Draven...

How many MMA matches have you had? .

Two in the army...

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

How many MMA fighters have you trained?.

Training three right now, all local for some local competion.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

And how many MMA fighters have you been in a fight with?.

A crap load, I know plenty of so-called "MMA fighters" who've mixed a little BJJ and MT with their karate and they come out to the club to pick fights and show how tough they are. Most aren't

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

And don't make assumptions about my background cause you don't know cause I'm not dumb enough to post that information on a public forum. Some of us are professionals with jobs and securit clearances and know that employers do searches on the web nowadays for information about potential employees/candidates.

Joe you said on another thread I thinkm that your daddy was in Army and that you were never there. As far as I'm concerned that means everything you know is econd hand heresay and not direct experience, so no you don't know anything in that regard.

All this avoid the issues I brought up that a) you train for a sport and b) that even though you are quite poosibly a technically superior fighter then me, which I will admit is very possible especially since your training evolves around technical proficiency, you lack knowledge in other areas, especially those based on self-defense and human behavior when they don't deal with a technical ability. Security clearnace is a joke, you know why because either you are trained to know something or you've learned it through experience, I learned how the approaches, set-up and attack come on the street from getting my butt kicked.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

You are one of these people who is plagued with terminal uniqueness Draven. Do you honestly believe that most MMA fighters DIDN'T come from the streets?

Do you really, really, truly think that?

You know SO VERY LITTLE about what you are trying to argue with educated people about. Go do some more homework before continuing with me cause you're out of your league.

OOh insults are the last bastion of a person who can't make a logical arguement, so far you've avoided simple questions, made stupdid challenges, refused to respond to challenges and made excuses for it. Yes, I know allot of MMA guys come from the streets, and I know allot of guys from the streets who won't touch MMAs.

Now I'm not going to say I can take someone in a cage, or that I'm as technically proficent as the average MMA fighter. But, I've seen plenty of people on the streets and most are full of ****! You wonna know about people on the streets fine, over half are their as cattle to tougher, smarter or wealther people, all waiting to take advantage of them. The other half is always pretending to be the tougher, smarter, wealthers people and may be 10% are truly bad ass.

There is a difference between a "gang" that operates as organized crime and one thats a bung of punk kids and wonna bes who want to look tough. I've been to and lived LA, NY, Chicago, NC and VA. I know there are streets in Richmiond VA that cops won't go to without back up, I've trained some of those cops. But the issue is exactly this ands you've proven my point, sport MAs do not take into consideration of factors other then techniques and that if you challenge a persons self-definition (especially those who define themselves through their MAs) by saying they don't have all the answers or the scope of their knowledge doesn't address other factors they haven't considered. Those people become defensive, insulting and hide behind that small area of knowledge they do know as a shield for all the things they don't know. That competive nature is how you've conditioned yourself to think and as such you can't or won't acknowledge that self-defense and fighting for survive may be more then competive techniques. You want to compete on a dead end and insult me rather then re-examine my points...

I'm done new topic...?

[Draven]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

So you think that an RBSD better prepares you for a trip to the movies? ?

Depends, in all honesty there are few systems I like, I've checked out SPEAR years ago before I was in the Army and Tony actually teaches it to his National Guard unit. I like the Combat Hapkido stuff I've seen as well. Never got indepth with Attack Proof and most of the others...

But, if you have a bogus RBSD instructor all you get is the same thing as anyone who claims to teach effective SD, a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

Do you think RBSD systems make people paranoid?

Depends on where you live, if you live in a high crime area, have a high risk job or have risky personal behavior, then no. If it makes you paranoid its because your already paraniod.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Depends, in all honesty there are few systems I like, I've checked out SPEAR years ago before I was in the Army and Tony actually teaches it to his National Guard unit. I like the Combat Hapkido stuff I've seen as well. Never got indepth with Attack Proof and most of the others...

But, if you have a bogus RBSD instructor all you get is the same thing as anyone who claims to teach effective SD, a false sense of security.


Depends on where you live, if you live in a high crime area, have a high risk job or have risky personal behavior, then no. If it makes you paranoid its because your already paraniod.

A bogus instructor of any subject creates boggies

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Draven

I'm done new topic...?

Agreed...the level of fighters you and I are used to dealing with are obviously much different. Maybe one of these days I could get you to come visit and train a bit where I train, I'd be interested how you would feel after going with some professional MMA fighters and world class Judo/BJJ Black Belts. There's a big difference between someone like that and someone who is fighting in their first amateur MMA fight.

But either way...I think we're both tired of the conversation.

[47MartialMan]

Inviting someone to particpate in a art of theirs, per their structure/rules/regulations/mentality/environment, etc., does not do justice if said person, does not go and check out the other's. MHO

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Draven

Two in the army...



Training three right now, all local for some local competion.




A crap load, I know plenty of so-called "MMA fighters" who've mixed a little BJJ and MT with their karate and they come out to the club to pick fights and show how tough they are. Most aren't



Joe you said on another thread I thinkm that your daddy was in Army and that you were never there. As far as I'm concerned that means everything you know is econd hand heresay and not direct experience, so no you don't know anything in that regard.

All this avoid the issues I brought up that a) you train for a sport and b) that even though you are quite poosibly a technically superior fighter then me, which I will admit is very possible especially since your training evolves around technical proficiency, you lack knowledge in other areas, especially those based on self-defense and human behavior when they don't deal with a technical ability. Security clearnace is a joke, you know why because either you are trained to know something or you've learned it through experience, I learned how the approaches, set-up and attack come on the street from getting my butt kicked.



OOh insults are the last bastion of a person who can't make a logical arguement, so far you've avoided simple questions, made stupdid challenges, refused to respond to challenges and made excuses for it. Yes, I know allot of MMA guys come from the streets, and I know allot of guys from the streets who won't touch MMAs.

Now I'm not going to say I can take someone in a cage, or that I'm as technically proficent as the average MMA fighter. But, I've seen plenty of people on the streets and most are full of ****! You wonna know about people on the streets fine, over half are their as cattle to tougher, smarter or wealther people, all waiting to take advantage of them. The other half is always pretending to be the tougher, smarter, wealthers people and may be 10% are truly bad ass.

There is a difference between a "gang" that operates as organized crime and one thats a bung of punk kids and wonna bes who want to look tough. I've been to and lived LA, NY, Chicago, NC and VA. I know there are streets in Richmiond VA that cops won't go to without back up, I've trained some of those cops. But the issue is exactly this ands you've proven my point, sport MAs do not take into consideration of factors other then techniques and that if you challenge a persons self-definition (especially those who define themselves through their MAs) by saying they don't have all the answers or the scope of their knowledge doesn't address other factors they haven't considered. Those people become defensive, insulting and hide behind that small area of knowledge they do know as a shield for all the things they don't know. That competive nature is how you've conditioned yourself to think and as such you can't or won't acknowledge that self-defense and fighting for survive may be more then competive techniques. You want to compete on a dead end and insult me rather then re-examine my points...

I'm done new topic...?

Draven,

Everything you have stated is an opinion you have on the social structure of the world. Whether it be socioeconomics or the psychological make up of a criminal. None of what your saying does much to support train this way vs. this way. We keep going in a convoluted circle about fighting for survival as opposed competitive fighting (what ever the hell that is because a fight by nature is competition.) This topic should be about technique and training method. I'll be the first to say it, hate on me if you want, military training means jack and sh*t when comes to fighting. I've knocked out an ex-army ranger before and I'm pretty sure I can do it again. Now put a gun in that dudes hands and I'm done for sure

So to the critics of sports martial arts (not one person here but in general) I have this to say. I'm a fighter, I train fighters thats what I do. Every theory you have had and discussed I've put on the mat and tested. Some work some suck, some worked but, I can't use them still they are valid. My training includes getting punched and kicked in the face and body, slammed to the mat having my body put in submission holds to the point of not just pain but unbearable pain and getting choked into unconsciousness. I drink my own blood and sweat like you drink kool-aide. I'm not bringing this up because I'm the most bad ass dude or whatever I'm not boasting, I'm brining it up because it's reality I'm stating facts. Can a guy who trains by going through complex patterns of movement or Kata, breaking boards and meditating knock me out? Hell yes he can!! Does that mean that they will? Hell no it doesn't!! It makes no sense to me how some one who has never trained full contact thinks that they are going to suddenly leave the gym (or whatever) and be a Jedi laying waste to all who oppose them. I know there are certain techniques that I don't train, eye gouges and groin kicks, because if I did that the way I train I'd be blind and sterile by now. The same goes for you. You can't train those techniques anymore then I can but, yet you can pull them off better and faster then I can throw a cross that I've landed thousands of times in real life?

So which is better? Neither is inherently better only the way you train makes a difference. Train what you want and how you want, do it because you enjoy it. But the truth is a fighter stands a better chance in a fight, doesn't matter what the style is.

Cheers and good luck training

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

Draven,

Everything you have stated is an opinion you have on the social structure of the world. Whether it be socioeconomics or the psychological make up of a criminal. None of what your saying does much to support train this way vs. this way. We keep going in a convoluted circle about fighting for survival as opposed competitive fighting (what ever the hell that is because a fight by nature is competition.) This topic should be about technique and training method. I'll be the first to say it, hate on me if you want, military training means jack and sh*t when comes to fighting. I've knocked out an ex-army ranger before and I'm pretty sure I can do it again. Now put a gun in that dudes hands and I'm done for sure

So to the critics of sports martial arts (not one person here but in general) I have this to say. I'm a fighter, I train fighters thats what I do. Every theory you have had and discussed I've put on the mat and tested. Some work some suck, some worked but, I can't use them still they are valid. My training includes getting punched and kicked in the face and body, slammed to the mat having my body put in submission holds to the point of not just pain but unbearable pain and getting choked into unconsciousness. I drink my own blood and sweat like you drink kool-aide. I'm not bringing this up because I'm the most bad ass dude or whatever I'm not boasting, I'm brining it up because it's reality I'm stating facts. Can a guy who trains by going through complex patterns of movement or Kata, breaking boards and meditating knock me out? Hell yes he can!! Does that mean that they will? Hell no it doesn't!! It makes no sense to me how some one who has never trained full contact thinks that they are going to suddenly leave the gym (or whatever) and be a Jedi laying waste to all who oppose them. I know there are certain techniques that I don't train, eye gouges and groin kicks, because if I did that the way I train I'd be blind and sterile by now. The same goes for you. You can't train those techniques anymore then I can but, yet you can pull them off better and faster then I can throw a cross that I've landed thousands of times in real life?

So which is better? Neither is inherently better only the way you train makes a difference. Train what you want and how you want, do it because you enjoy it. But the truth is a fighter stands a better chance in a fight, doesn't matter what the style is.

Cheers and good luck training

When Triangle says he drinks his own blood he doesn't mean he gets hit and ends up with blood in his mouth that accidentally gets swallowed.

He literally drinks his own blood because that is how he rolls.

The argument may continue at this point but I stand with Triangle here:

Try your mettle against a skilled, highly trained and prepared MMA fighter before talking about how they don't know how to handle a real self defense situation because they don't train for it.

Until you've been taken down against your will and mounted with little chance of escape you really don't understand how it feels.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

When Triangle says he drinks his own blood he doesn't mean he gets hit and ends up with blood in his mouth that accidentally gets swallowed.

He literally drinks his own blood because that is how he rolls.

The argument may continue at this point but I stand with Triangle here:

Try your mettle against a skilled, highly trained and prepared MMA fighter before talking about how they don't know how to handle a real self defense situation because they don't train for it.

Until you've been taken down against your will and mounted with little chance of escape you really don't understand how it feels.

LOL LMAO When are we going to roll dude?

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I drink my own blood and sweat like you drink kool-aide.

Does this have much nutritional value? Why not try sports shakes or smoothies.

Depends on what was in the Kool-aid

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

It makes no sense to me how some one who has never trained full contact thinks that they are going to suddenly leave the gym (or whatever) and be a Jedi laying waste to all who oppose them.

Same goes for Sport MMAsts. But their are some martial artists whom beleive that "The Force" is actually with them.

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I know there are certain techniques that I don't train, eye gouges and groin kicks, because if I did that the way I train I'd be blind and sterile by now. The same goes for you. You can't train those techniques anymore then I can but, yet you can pull them off better and faster then I can throw a cross that I've landed thousands of times in real life?

Indeed, but you had been struck in those places and probably kept going. Only to make you less sensitive (in the issue of not giving up verses needless condtioning of certain areas). But a factor of street survival doesn't always lay withing fighting skilss in as much as wit.

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

So which is better? Neither is inherently better only the way you train makes a difference. Train what you want and how you want, do it because you enjoy it. But the truth is a fighter stands a better chance in a fight, doesn't matter what the style is.

I agree. A bowler stands a better chance in a bowling match, practicing bowling than Skeet Balling

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Does this have much nutritional value? Why not try sports shakes or smoothies.

Depends on what was in the Kool-aid

Actually I switched over because my steady diet of just gravy turned my heart into a solid hard boiled egg

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Same goes for Sport MMAsts. But their are some martial artists whom beleive that "The Force" is actually with them.

True But I don't know of mixed martial artists who don't get punched. You train with me you get punched.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Indeed, but you had been struck in those places and probably kept going. Only to make you less sensitive (in the issue of not giving up verses needless condtioning of certain areas). But a factor of street survival doesn't always lay withing fighting skilss in as much as wit.

Yes it's much like the fabled knee kick it doesn't do what everyone thinks it'll do.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

I agree. A bowler stands a better chance in a bowling match, practicing bowling than Skeet Balling

It almost seems like common sense doesn't it?