Critics of "sport" martial arts

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by GoddeBPM

True, I may not be a good example since I've only done judo for a month, and even though I have had no training in striking arts, a punch comes more naturally to somebody untrained than an o-goshi.

Some people punching is more natural and some people its grappling. You will rewire your body if you train Judo long enough. Then you'll be wonderng why you would throw a punch first

Joe, look at my sig...I thought about it and decided I was right LOL

[GoddeBPM]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Some people punching is more natural and some people its grappling. You will rewire your body if you train Judo long enough. Then you'll be wonderng why you would throw a punch first

Joe, look at my sig...I thought about it and decided I was right LOL

But how many 7 year olds have you seen tryna throw each other on the floor after watching an episode of Power Rangers?

Hmm... But I want to take a striking martial art as a sort of balance. Something built more or primarily for self defense.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by GoddeBPM

But how many 7 year olds have you seen tryna throw each other on the floor after watching an episode of Power Rangers?

Hmm... But I want to take a striking martial art as a sort of balance. Something built more or primarily for self defense.

Wait till you have a solid understanding of Judo before you branch out. To many styles with not enough training will make GoddeBPM's body VERY confused

[GoddeBPM]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Wait till you have a solid understanding of Judo before you branch out. To many styles with not enough training will make GoddeBPM's body VERY confused

Ahahah, too many styles will make my pockets empty. So how long would you suggest before branching out? And if I don't take another style yet, is there a way I can work on my standing game without confusing my body?

[Sake Sipper]

Any point can be overstated. People are not robots.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Joe, look at my sig...I thought about it and decided I was right LOL

Are you sure people will get your point, that's kind of subtle dude.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I think you got that backwards! Try throwing them first, then punch them!

Or kick 'em when they're down

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

No, in my opinion it doesn't. If you are really threatened you will rely on fight or flight response. If its fight you will rely on the reactions you have trained into your body...if you have trained long enough. If there is not enough threat to generate this response then it really isn't much of a self-defense situation.

IMHO

If your opponent is better skilled, and/or the situation isnt to what ideal standards to on what was practiced.

[47MartialMan]

YOU WILL FIGHT HOW YOU TRAIN!

So if you trained sport, you will fight that way?

[Draven]

Originally Posted by reality

I`ve heard quite a few people recently having a go at sport martial arts (i.e wrestlig, judo, boxing, thai boxing). Claiming they are limited in terms of real world applicability, due to the fact that they are sports and therefore restricted by rules etc. Surely this is rubbish? I`d like to see a few of these critics up against an athlete well trained in boxing and wrestling to see how they get on.

I'm a big critic of "sport martial arts" not in their effectiveness but in the mindset they can create. Now there are certain pro-&-cons to anything, with sport martial arts it's primarily on the mental and philosophical levels. On a physical level, sports fighters are often in better shape and better able to control themselves in a fight then most non-sport fighters.

The issues or criticism isn't with technique or physical ability in this allot of "sports fighters" are great if not superior. The critisims come from the lack of physical awareness, and psychological awareness. This causes allot of problems, because allot a sports-martial artists don't approach situations with those elements in mind.

I've seen allot of sports fighters who take people confronting them on the street as they would in the ring, so that everything was a "contest." I grew up around people who would either ignore you for talking trash or kill for acting like trash. So to me the idea of having a "pissing contest" for ego can and will get you killed in the street. I know allot of sports-fighters who put too much stock on well I can win in the ring so I can take Joe-Nobody in the street. Thats false pride and to me equal to stupidity which will get you killed.

Thats primarily an issue, because if you kill an attacker on the street you will go to jail "self-defense" pleas are a joke, if you beat someone done and they are seriously attatched to their pride because they have no self-image these guys are the one's who shoot or stab someone on the street. Allot of these issues come up with neo-traditionalist who use traditionalism as an excuse for "watering down" and "misrepresenting" a tradition then compared to the actual tradition. But, again allot of sports fighters are better equipt to fight then none-sport martial artists, they just fail in other areas.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

I'm a big critic of "sport martial arts" not in their effectiveness but in the mindset they can create. Now there are certain pro-&-cons to anything, with sport martial arts it's primarily on the mental and philosophical levels. On a physical level, sports fighters are often in better shape and better able to control themselves in a fight then most non-sport fighters.

The issues or criticism isn't with technique or physical ability in this allot of "sports fighters" are great if not superior. The critisims come from the lack of physical awareness, and psychological awareness. This causes allot of problems, because allot a sports-martial artists don't approach situations with those elements in mind.

I've seen allot of sports fighters who take people confronting them on the street as they would in the ring, so that everything was a "contest." I grew up around people who would either ignore you for talking trash or kill for acting like trash. So to me the idea of having a "pissing contest" for ego can and will get you killed in the street. I know allot of sports-fighters who put too much stock on well I can win in the ring so I can take Joe-Nobody in the street. Thats false pride and to me equal to stupidity which will get you killed.

Thats primarily an issue, because if you kill an attacker on the street you will go to jail "self-defense" pleas are a joke, if you beat someone done and they are seriously attatched to their pride because they have no self-image these guys are the one's who shoot or stab someone on the street. Allot of these issues come up with neo-traditionalist who use traditionalism as an excuse for "watering down" and "misrepresenting" a tradition then compared to the actual tradition. But, again allot of sports fighters are better equipt to fight then none-sport martial artists, they just fail in other areas.

Draven, on some of your posts I cannot completely agree, but I like this one.

Kudos! I give you a +Rep

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

IMHO

If your opponent is better skilled, and/or the situation isnt to what ideal standards to on what was practiced.

I disagree with this. Again, this sin't a "choice." This is your body training kicking in. Only way this doesn't happen in a real threat situation is if the person is not trained sufficiently.

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

YOU WILL FIGHT HOW YOU TRAIN!

So if you trained sport, you will fight that way?

OK, lemme say this one more time...You will fight how you train. Its not rocket science. It just isn't that complicated.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

I disagree with this. Again, this sin't a "choice." This is your body training kicking in. Only way this doesn't happen in a real threat situation is if the person is not trained sufficiently.

Some people dont train in emotional stress and intimidatation



OK, lemme say this one more time...You will fight how you train. Its not rocket science. It just isn't that complicated. [/quote]

So cross-trained, would fight utilizing a combo of styles, or what they became "comfortable" with?

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Some people dont train in emotional stress and intimidatation

So cross-trained, would fight utilizing a combo of styles, or what they became "comfortable" with?

Even if people are not trained in emotional stress and intimidation, they will still fall back to fight or flight. If thier training is sufficent then they will fight how they were trained even if they are freaked out. Though there may be some hesitation which I already have stated I think is dangerous.

You say combo of style OR what they have become comfortable with. It isn't an either or situation.

Stop picking buzzard.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Draven

I grew up around people who would either ignore you for talking trash or kill for acting like trash. So to me the idea of having a "pissing contest" for ego can and will get you killed in the street.

I just want to get this straight:

You grew up around murderers did you? You literally were surrounded by people killing each other for talking trash?

How many people have you seen killed in front of you for talking trash Draven?