Critics of "sport" martial arts

[Draven]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

No, in my opinion it doesn't. If you are really threatened you will rely on fight or flight response. If its fight you will rely on the reactions you have trained into your body...if you have trained long enough. If there is not enough threat to generate this response then it really isn't much of a self-defense situation.

No against a creature of your own species you have four responses, fight, flight, submit or position. Positioning is where you "front strength" to appear stronger and cause your opponent to back down or submit. Submission is where you step down and give in and of course we all know fight or flight. But, confronted with a stray dog you will either run away (at some point even you back away slowly then run) or hit the dog with a stick, rocks whatever. This isn't so when confronted with the a dawg from the local watering hole or even a mugger.

Thats is the reason allot a traditional martial arts included philosophy (which expressed psychological principles), because fighting methods are not enough when dealing with people. Truly alive training, deals not only with sparring and techniques but with understanding how and why you are doing what you are doing. Alive training means growing and adapting principles, building your own methodology, I watched the Lost Kingdom yesterday and they gave the best discription of a martial art in discussing kung-fu. That being the line "that one learns a system to find the master within and learns the form but is formless." There is more to self-defense then throwing punches or choking out an attacker...

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

How many people have you seen killed in front of you for talking trash?

TWO......on separate accounts

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

TWO......on separate accounts

The question was directed at Draven.

For a guy with 10,000 posts you don't seem to understand how forums work very well.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

The question was directed at Draven.

For a guy with 10,000 posts you don't seem to understand how forums work very well.

I dont have 10,000 posts.

I gotta be a Buzzard.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I just want to get this straight:

You grew up around murderers did you??

Yes... I grew up around Bikers (and not the weekend-warrior types but Hell's Angels, Ghost Riders etc.) & criminals (mostly family).

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

You literally were surrounded by people killing each other for talking trash??

Not everyone, but there were quite a few attempts, some just had bad aim. Most fights on the street come from trash talk and fights over money or women.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

How many people have you seen killed in front of you for talking trash Draven?

3 shootings, 3 stabbings and 1 death but the other five weren't for lack of trying. And one guy shot in the leg for dealing from the bottom of the deck while playing Poker.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Draven

Yes... I grew up around Bikers (and not the weekend-warrior types but Hell's Angels, Ghost Riders etc.) & criminals (mostly family).


Not everyone, but there were quite a few attempts, some just had bad aim. Most fights on the street come from trash talk and fights over money or women.


3 shootings, 3 stabbings and 1 death but the other five weren't for lack of trying. And one guy shot in the leg for dealing from the bottom of the deck while playing Poker.

So even though you have been around the real thing you're gonna tell me you follow Ashida Kim?

Is this a Game Show where I'm supposed to guess which story is the real story?

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

So even though you have been around the real thing you're gonna tell me you follow Ashida Kim?

Is this a Game Show where I'm supposed to guess which story is the real story?

Hey, since I claim the Buzzard Title, what does that make him?

[Chapel]

So... away from the random cross threading at the battle that is brewing between 47MM and Joe...

The only problem I have with sport martial arts is when the sport instills bad habits in the competitors. For instance, TKD sport is notorious for all sorts of things and I often find myself yelling at the screen 'Keep your damn hands up!' For other sport arts, such as MT the goal is pretty much to beat you opponent into a paste. Unsurprisingly, beating someone into a paste is very good self-defense practice.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Chapel

So... away from the random cross threading at the battle that is brewing between 47MM and Joe...

The only problem I have with sport martial arts is when the sport instills bad habits in the competitors. For instance, TKD sport is notorious for all sorts of things and I often find myself yelling at the screen 'Keep your damn hands up!' For other sport arts, such as MT the goal is pretty much to beat you opponent into a paste. Unsurprisingly, beating someone into a paste is very good self-defense practice.

LOL well said

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Yes... I grew up around Bikers (and not the weekend-warrior types but Hell's Angels, Ghost Riders etc.) & criminals (mostly family).


Not everyone, but there were quite a few attempts, some just had bad aim. Most fights on the street come from trash talk and fights over money or women.


3 shootings, 3 stabbings and 1 death but the other five weren't for lack of trying. And one guy shot in the leg for dealing from the bottom of the deck while playing Poker.

Have you heard of the Galloping Gooses and the Bandidos?

[Draven]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

Have you heard of the Galloping Gooses and the Bandidos?

Met some Bandidos in OK when I was there for the Feds, they hung out mainly with the Mexican Mophia & I didn't deal with either much...

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Chapel

So... away from the random cross threading at the battle that is brewing between 47MM and Joe...

The only problem I have with sport martial arts is when the sport instills bad habits in the competitors. For instance, TKD sport is notorious for all sorts of things and I often find myself yelling at the screen 'Keep your damn hands up!' For other sport arts, such as MT the goal is pretty much to beat you opponent into a paste. Unsurprisingly, beating someone into a paste is very good self-defense practice.

Yes...Nicely put....

Sorry that threads go off, but they do for various reasons.

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by Draven

Met some Bandidos in OK when I was there for the Feds, they hung out mainly with the Mexican Mophia & I didn't deal with either much...

When dealing with uncouth groups of people, one has to carry themselves in a different way.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by 47MartialMan

When dealing with uncouth groups of people, one has to carry themselves in a different way.

LOL that has to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard uncouth!!!

[47MartialMan]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

LOL that has to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard uncouth!!!

Indeed, uncouth can have different interpretations.....