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I`ve heard quite a few people recently having a go at sport martial arts (i.e wrestlig, judo, boxing, thai boxing). Claiming they are limited in terms of real world applicability, due to the fact that they are sports and therefore restricted by rules etc. Surely this is rubbish? I`d like to see a few of these critics up against an athlete well trained in boxing and wrestling to see how they get on.
I`ve heard quite a few people recently having a go at sport martial arts (i.e wrestlig, judo, boxing, thai boxing). Claiming they are limited in terms of real world applicability, due to the fact that they are sports and therefore restricted by rules etc. Surely this is rubbish? I`d like to see a few of these critics up against an athlete well trained in boxing and wrestling to see how they get on.
Yes, I would like to see the critics even go against even a rugby/football player or high school wrestler.
Don't worry too much Reality, those arguments are more the exception than the rule here these days.
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
Yeah thankfully There was a time though when people were shooting energy balls and what not.
I still think you fight how you train. You train with a rule set, that is how you will fight. That doesn't mean that someone that trains for a sport doesn't have an advantage in a street fight. They would because they ( hopefully ) are used to the speed and contact, which is a big bonus. You can't honestly tell me that someone that trains exclusively in Olympic TKD is going to be as good as someone who trains just as hard at realistic fighting on the street. That's rubbish. I do know that there are sports that come closer to self defense. I'm not that niave. It was an example I'll say it one more time for those that have problems reading, YOU FIGHT HOW YOU TRAIN.
I still think you fight how you train. You train with a rule set, that is how you will fight. That doesn't mean that someone that trains for a sport doesn't have an advantage in a street fight. They would because they ( hopefully ) are used to the speed and contact, which is a big bonus. You can't honestly tell me that someone that trains exclusively in Olympic TKD is going to be as good as someone who trains just as hard at realistic fighting on the street. That's rubbish. I do know that there are sports that come closer to self defense. I'm not that niave. It was an example I'll say it one more time for those that have problems reading, YOU FIGHT HOW YOU TRAIN.
WC_Lun,
How do you feel about the idea of fighting how you train?
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"Strange, how the better martial artists and masters hardly ever readily come forth about their skills, art, or training?" - 47MartialMan
I`ve heard quite a few people recently having a go at sport martial arts (i.e wrestlig, judo, boxing, thai boxing). Claiming they are limited in terms of real world applicability, due to the fact that they are sports and therefore restricted by rules etc. Surely this is rubbish? I`d like to see a few of these critics up against an athlete well trained in boxing and wrestling to see how they get on.
According to this. "so" sport TKD can fight outside of the "sport" as well?
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
Yeah thankfully There was a time though when people were shooting energy balls and what not.
Shooting energy balls..... Now it is NTKO
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Originally Posted by SirokiFighter
remember just becasue someone can do the sport side to a martial art,doesn;t mean they dont know how to realistically fight, its not that hard.
I guess it depends on the situation of the "outside" fight.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
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But surely people wouldn't limit themselves to rules of a sports martial art in real world application. I know for a fact I'll punch somebody before trying to throw them.
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But surely people wouldn't limit themselves to rules of a sports martial art in real world application. I know for a fact I'll punch somebody before trying to throw them.
If you train hard and long enough your body will have those reactions you trained on a kind of auto-pilot. That is one of the main reasons for training. If you try to do something against that training it may not work out so good because it goes against what you mind and body want to do. At the very least this causes hesitation, which you definitley do not want when someone is trying to take your head off. As a side note, would you really punch? How do you know? Have you been asaulted and thrown punches instead of what you have been trained to do?
At the very least this causes hesitation, which you definitley do not want when someone is trying to take your head off. As a side note, would you really punch? How do you know? Have you been asaulted and thrown punches instead of what you have been trained to do?
This all depends on the opponent and situation.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
But surely people wouldn't limit themselves to rules of a sports martial art in real world application. I know for a fact I'll punch somebody before trying to throw them.
I think you got that backwards! Try throwing them first, then punch them!
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This all depends on the opponent and situation.
No, in my opinion it doesn't. If you are really threatened you will rely on fight or flight response. If its fight you will rely on the reactions you have trained into your body...if you have trained long enough. If there is not enough threat to generate this response then it really isn't much of a self-defense situation.
No, in my opinion it doesn't. If you are really threatened you will rely on fight or flight response. If its fight you will rely on the reactions you have trained into your body...if you have trained long enough. If there is not enough threat to generate this response then it really isn't much of a self-defense situation.
True, I may not be a good example since I've only done judo for a month, and even though I have had no training in striking arts, a punch comes more naturally to somebody untrained than an o-goshi.
Critics of "sport" martial arts
There was a time though when people were shooting energy balls and what not.
I'll say it one more time for those that have problems reading, YOU FIGHT HOW YOU TRAIN.
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