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If you practice TKD you are a martial artist. A good SD drill is to form a circle, place one person inside, people outside of circle are given rubber knives, clubs, etc. Then the instructor goes around tapping people in to simulate bieng attakced from different angles. This is very good if done at full speed and with control.
LOL! Sorry, I just have to comment on this.
I could not disagree with you more. This is NOT good self defense training.
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
My question is are there any difference between forms and the movements done in a cardio kick boxing class?
So why is that going through fighting moves with a gi on with a group of people teaches you application and, doing the same thing with shorts on and 'sweating to the oldies doesn't doesn't?
The focus is different..or should be. Kata or form trains body positioning and general technique movements. Mostly its training the body to move in a certain way. If someone thinks kata or form teaches true appication of technique, then they are fooling themselves. That cannot be done without the assistance of a resisting partner.
Cardio kickboxing and the like are focused on keeping the heart rate up and muscle usage. It has no value as far as martial application goes, although the excercise part can be useful.
I have seen schools that confuse the two. Forms at these schools are done with speed and "power" as the focus. However, thier body positioning and movements are not precise, meaning they aren't getting why form is practiced.
of couse. you can want to acheive rank and fighting ablity.
Yes. I was looking for someone to speak up. There are many "belt/rank" bashing out there. And though I tend to bash also, I have a understanding that not all ranks/belts suffer the same fate.
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
My question is are there any difference between forms and the movements done in a cardio kick boxing class?
One main thing, they don't spar.
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
So why is that going through fighting moves with a gi on with a group of people teaches you application and, doing the same thing with shorts on and 'sweating to the oldies doesn't doesn't?
Per above. Why is there "MT" in fitness clubs where a bunch of women and skinny guys, wearing MT trunks and sweat bands, do nothing all day but punch and kick the air or punching bags that dont strike back?
Speaking of if one cant say something nice...
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
You want a Whinieken? How about a wah-burger and some french cries?
That's original....
Speaking of using your "gem" comment.
I guess you got that from Joe Dirt...
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
My question is are there any difference between forms and the movements done in a cardio kick boxing class?
The punches and kicks TKD require chambering whereas in the cardio class your hands are probably at your chin (never took a cardio class myself...my wife could probably help on this one)
Per above. Why is there "MT" in fitness clubs where a bunch of women and skinny guys, wearing MT trunks and sweat bands, do nothing all day but punch and kick the air or punching bags that dont strike back?
Speaking of if one cant say something nice...
That's original....
Speaking of using your "gem" comment.
I guess you got that from Joe Dirt...
So the others spar?
Yes Joe Dirt.
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Once I've stepped in a cage and had an MMA match then I can claim to be a Mixed Martial Artist.
Question, how long did it take you to go through each belt and get to brown?
Also, my instructor is brown and is the head instructor at my school. I know that every once in a while he takes privates and goes to seminars and competes, but doesnt train regulary with a black belt, so what does one do in his situation to get to black? compete and win?
I believe this to be very true and it's why when people ask me if I do Martial Arts I tell them No.
i dont know? to not consider your self a martial artist is a bit extreme, dont you think?
all the bjj guys i know consider themselves martial artists, along with all the mma guys i know, as you see mixed "martial arts". being a mixed martial artist also makes you a martial artist, becasue of the fact that mixed martial artists practice martial arts.
i dont know? to not consider your self a martial artist is a bit extreme, dont you think?
all the bjj guys i know consider themselves martial artists, along with all the mma guys i know, as you see mixed "martial arts". being a mixed martial artist also makes you a martial artist, becasue of the fact that mixed martial artists practice martial arts.
its all just labels really.
Yes-indeed.
Sssh, a person who trains in Mixed Martial Arts, is not into martial arts, so therefore he cannot be a martial artist who trains in a mixture of fighting. They are Mixed Sport Fighting Artists
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That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses'
Sorry Enter, but I feel your talking in circles on the watered down issue. Watered down means that the essence and core of an art has been diluted to the point that it only resembles the art it once was. It cannot be used for combat in the form that it is now. That means it is no longer a combat art. That doesn't mean it is worthless, but it cannot be used for the purpose it was originally designed for. Many, many, arts have had this happen. When an art is not used for combat, but other things, this is a natural occurance.
An example of what I mean watered down could be one of the arts I have studied, Wing Chun. Originally it was designed for war. It is based upon solid scientific principles and very efficient. It needed to be because the person using it depended on it to live. Most modern day Wing Chun, while it still has the flavor and many of the movements of the original, it does not have the efficiency it once had. Many of today's Wing Chun artist don't understand some of the true combat applications. This isn't thier fault, its just a natural thing since the combat side isn't used often.
There is a huge difference between a combat/fighting art and a modern day martial art. One truly trains for combat, while the other trains for other reasons.
Yeah, I sort of thought it was going in a circle. Hmm, I think I sounded like an absolute fool in my post >.< . I think I took a completely different, and incorrect, meaning of "watered down" and just beat it down too much.
If you practice TKD you are a martial artist. A good SD drill is to form a circle, place one person inside, people outside of circle are given rubber knives, clubs, etc. Then the instructor goes around tapping people in to simulate bieng attakced from different angles. This is very good if done at full speed and with control.
Curious, you train to defend yourself once you are in the circle.
Do you train how to avoid being in the circle?
How about getting out of the circle?
I ask this question from thought of an individual at work I had told him I do MA. He asked what we do and at the time I was a beginner and doing mostly throws, I commented on how much I liked the knowledge there on how to fall correctly. His response was that I was training to fall on the street, rather than stay on my feet and fight. It was a question I did not know the answer to at the time, but after a week or so it donned on me, "Because if I never fall and nobody else does either, then how will we ever learn to throw." That conversation has more depth, but I'll leave it at that.
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