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If you are doing katas...in other words, you are practicing your "art" to a set of choreographed moves without a resisting partner, then it's a TMA.
With this definition it's easy.
If I take a Tae Kwon Do class where I am learning to throw kicks and punches and use katas to do it and get judged on my technique based on this criteria then I am training a TMA.
If I take a kickboxing class where I am learning to throw kicks and punches but use a resisting partner to do it and get judged on my technique based on this criteria I am not training a TMA.
Same techniques (theoretically speaking) but different training methods.
In this definition, most BJJ/Judo/Muay Thai/ classes would not fall into the the TMA definition. Nor would boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, Krav Maga, or any RSBD system.
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If you are doing katas...in other words, you are practicing your "art" to a set of choreographed moves without a resisting partner, then it's a TMA.
With this definition it's easy.
If I take a Tae Kwon Do class where I am learning to throw kicks and punches and use katas to do it and get judged on my technique based on this criteria then I am training a TMA.
If I take a kickboxing class where I am learning to throw kicks and punches but use a resisting partner to do it and get judged on my technique based on this criteria I am not training a TMA.
Same techniques (theoretically speaking) but different training methods.
In this definition, most BJJ/Judo/Muay Thai/ classes would not fall into the the TMA definition. Nor would boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, Krav Maga, or any RSBD system.
This depends on the school. It's not the ART itself that is in question, it's the training methodology which varies at each school.
So if your Tae Kwon Do school places sparring as the most critical criteria for promotion and abandons the Katas then they are no longer a TMA in my book.
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This depends on the school. It's not the ART itself that is in question, it's the training methodology which varies at each school.
So if your Tae Kwon Do school places sparring as the most critical criteria for promotion and abandons the Katas then they are no longer a TMA in my book.
I agree, I don't think these labels are able to be used on specific styles, more on schools.
Umm, I'm pretty sure the labels go with the styles not the schools. A TKD school that spars is still a TMA. If you dont work on ground game and stand up, and you are and Asian style with the inclusion of BJJ you are a TMA. If you work ground game and standup and have no distinct style you are MMA.
Hell, I work standup and ground at different schools and Joe said I wasnt a mixed martial artist even though I go through the same ranges and spar MMA style. So I think its harder to define MMA than it is TMA.
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Thats why his definition wont work. Everyone TKD school spars.
Just like every boxing/kickboxing gym punches or kicks air (its called shadow boxing).
Sorry Joe, cant back you on that one.
Yes, they spar but they arent promoted based on how well they spar. they are ranked based on their katas which is why there are black belts that cannot fight.
Has everyone lost the ability to read? Joe said if your TKD promotes based on sparring and has abandoned kata then they are not TMA in his opinion which I agree with it.
Yes most schools spar but, their sparring is crap IMO.
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Has everyone lost the ability to read? Joe said if your TKD promotes based on sparring and has abandoned kata then they are not TMA in his opinion which I agree with it.
Yes most schools spar but, their sparring is crap IMO.
I checked out a judo/karate school a while back. The class was a combination of striking, throwing, and grappling with full intensity judo and grappling sparring. They said they stopped doing forms years ago and just focused on fighting now. I would not have considered the school a TMA.
I checked out a judo/karate school a while back. The class was a combination of striking, throwing, and grappling with full intensity judo and grappling sparring. They said they stopped doing forms years ago and just focused on fighting now. I would not have considered the school a TMA.
I would agree 100%
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Has everyone lost the ability to read? Joe said if your TKD promotes based on sparring and has abandoned kata then they are not TMA in his opinion which I agree with it.
Yes most schools spar but, their sparring is crap IMO.
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In a boxing class I am not considered a good boxer until I can box someone else. I may have the best bag and mitt work in the world, but that doesn't mean I'm good if I can't win a fight in the ring/mat/street.
Same with kickboxing.
Same with Muay Thai.
Same with wrestling.
Same with Judo.
Same with BJJ.
Same with Krav Maga.
Same with RBSD systems.
So next time you are asked to test for your promotion, if you are handed a list of katas you need to perform to get the promotion you are practicing a TMA.
And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I'm just saying that's how I define it.
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I checked out a judo/karate school a while back. The class was a combination of striking, throwing, and grappling with full intensity judo and grappling sparring. They said they stopped doing forms years ago and just focused on fighting now. I would not have considered the school a TMA.
Sounds like Straight Blast. Those guys are awesome. WC_LUN, you would really appreciate these guys since they started out as WC/JKD guys and transitioned into something else.
What defines a TMA from an MMA?
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