| Bad Manners But Good Point...
I was discussing social order on another forum and someone made the comment about there was no order to the street, the street was chaos. Therefore sociology, psychology or such social science had no meaning. This discussion some how ended up on fighting and martial arts.
This brought up a very good story about manners...
Back in 2003 I got into a fight about nothing, but pride had allot to do about it. My Platoon Sergent had us moving furniture from our old barricks to our new one. He just didn't tells us until 2000hrs (8pm). So being the typical infantry soldier I was half bottle of Jack and about 6 beers to passing out, when I get the news that we're moving furniture at 8pm.
This didn't sit well with me because a) Teamleaders are supposed to be informed of the duties and b) I was the teamleader. Well I never let being drunk, or not not knowing what was going stop me before. So I grabbed the few people who where not too drunk to walk or off post and started carrying furniture. Though the whole time I was literally cursing out my Plt Sgt for not telling what was happening, especially considering we had just had a meeting that afternoon to go over said duty roasters & this never came up.
Another soldier in the company who was working with us, began talking smack. And I responded with open hostility. At some point the office clerk who was talking smack thought he'd go off and threaten to "smack my teeth out" if I didn't shut up. Then before I could say something turned and walked away. At which point I desided to kick his ass and pushed him into a room. He flew like ten feet and slid another 5ft into a dresser.
He then responded by jumping to his feet and ran at me talking more smack. As soon as the words "Why don't you do something when my back isn't turned." I drilled him and my Plt Sgt just told me to go drink some coffee. This was on a friday...
Saturday morning I'm talking to the CO & the 1st Sgt. So we are all having this little meeting to decide if we need to have something done that monday or just let it drop...
So once my Plt Sgt estabilishes that he didn't tell me about asigning our Platoon to clear the building at 20hrs and that as I was drinking I a) didn't have rank and b) technically didn't have to help but did anyway. The next arguement can up as to what was said and that were social order came into play.
Basically, as the 1st Sgt saw it...
1) When said clerk decided to become involved in someone elses business (i.e. my being upset with not being informed properly by my chain of command so that I could inform those underneath me; which is of extreme importance to combat soldiers) he invaded someone elses space.
2) When he decided to "flex his muscles" and then none verbally insult someone by walking away in such a way as to postition yourself as a superior and then by trying to "flex again" to try to regain control. That person violated basic human social interaction.
3) When said social codes are violated in any society, culture or sub-culture said violator is in danger of social retribution. Basically don't get involved in other peoples business aqnd don't try to act tough unless you plan to back it up. So as punishment we given TKD gloves and told to get it out of our system in the volleyball pit.
This sparked my curiosity in psychology and a week later I saided up for a corispondance course in psychology from UT.
To that we where taught that human interection takes on 4 forms.
Posturing:
Posture is a form of social dominance where one or both particpants try to appear larger, more violent, angry or branish weapons to insight fear and gain dominance. Often times posturing is met with posturing until other options takes it place. Posturing is a prelude to the other three social reactions.
Submission:
Where as one or more individuals submit to the "power" of the individual or group as being stronger and surrendering to their dominance.
Retreat:
Running away is a form of submission but those who run are often the ones who return. The saying those who fight and run away live to fight another day is not much the motto of a coward as it is the motto of those submit to a greater power with full intention of gaining an advantage to re-establish there own dominance or social status.
Fighting:
The final option to posturing is to meet posturing with violence, to accept any open challenge and respond to it with further violence. In most cases those who do not fight to such an extent to actively seek a violent end (death) to the other. Many fights simply break apart with one or more individuals retreating from actual violence, however a great many fights are won by the exscellation of violence. And so very often fighting comes as a last resort with an almost ritualized process of posturing or as a sudden violent action to establish dominance.
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