Good Fighter or Good Self Defence?

[Them's Fighting Words]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Gotta disagree with you on the sprawl, Them. The sprawl drives the momentum of the person shooting down, places weight on the opponent, moves your legs to a harder place to grab them, and places you in a supurior position. Strikes might work, but I don't believe they are as consistant to defend double leg takedowns as the sprawl.

I'm talking from my own personal experience. Like I said, very few people have ever tried takin me down at the legs like that. Also I utilise a collapsing body technique taught to me by a vietnamese friend (similar to the sprawl but I'll never admit that ) Most of me buds would whole heartedly agree with you though, they almost always sprawl against this kind of takedown. They also get pissed off when I bag the sprawl (but hey that's just me being a provocative jerk ). Oh, and I like yanking john55's chain. Hiya john55, yar a legened mate

[john55]

Originally Posted by Draven

Sorry mate the offical story from wiki says different...

From UFC 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I stand corrected, although I did see they eliminated one or all of these in ufc 2 and 3.

Originally Posted by Them's Fighting Words

Quite a few styles work against weapons and mutlitple attackers. The majority of them such as Kali and Krav Maga have a military history and have been proven on the field of war against armed and multiple attackers. Many are still used today by military and security forces. I have personally experienced numerous fights against armed and multiple attackers. I'm still alive and only a little worst for ware.
BTW, you do BJJ right? I was told recently by a former marine bud that one of the US forces (I think the rangers)now trains in BJJ. You can't tell me they don't train against armed and multiple opponants.

No style works against a gun...except maybe chi as ive heard it can block a bullet

My father in law is an x navy seal and he basically told me that he was taught that if they needed to fight they better have their guns because their opponents would. He said hand to hand combat is trained minimally because its not really used. If you dont have a gun you will be dead. He said they spend a lot more time on the range than hand to hand combat for a reason. He explained it pretty much in those terms to.

[john55]

Originally Posted by Them's Fighting Words

And ofcourse there's all the unspoken rules. Such as being in a padded cage. Oh and the no weapons thing. Yeah, I got an issue with that. I consider myself a weapons based martial artist first an foremost. Ofcourse having seen tournaments where weapons were legal (mainly sticks and staves) I do understand why such tournaments are rare.

There are plenty of MMA tournaments with weapons here in the US. Just not on TV. Check out the dogg brothers fights to see them. Its pretty crazy stuff.

[SirokiFighter]

Originally Posted by john55

There are plenty of MMA tournaments with weapons here in the US. Just not on TV. Check out the dogg brothers fights to see them. Its pretty crazy stuff.

dogg brothers isnt mma. i read they only fight two times ayear, and its people with all kinds of backgrounds who want to fight against a fully resistant openent.

[Draven]

Originally Posted by john55

No style works against a gun...except maybe chi as ive heard it can block a bullet

My father in law is an x navy seal and he basically told me that he was taught that if they needed to fight they better have their guns because their opponents would. He said hand to hand combat is trained minimally because its not really used. If you dont have a gun you will be dead. He said they spend a lot more time on the range than hand to hand combat for a reason. He explained it pretty much in those terms to.

Which team was he with? SEALs don't have uniform training format, they have core training formats but they also go through training based on specialized locastions. When I was a scout and air assault infantry the US Army spent a great deal of time on training combatives, especially when dealing with urban warfare where close quarters limits the effectiveness of fire arms.

I also know more then a few SOC guys who apply a similar way of thinking. I'm not saying your wrong just that my experiences in the military are quite different. We where taught firearms first, knife second, improvised weapons third and hand-to-hand last, of course hand to hand was the basis for your knife & improvised weapons.

[john55]

Originally Posted by Draven

Which team was he with? SEALs don't have uniform training format, they have core training formats but they also go through training based on specialized locastions. When I was a scout and air assault infantry the US Army spent a great deal of time on training combatives, especially when dealing with urban warfare where close quarters limits the effectiveness of fire arms.

I also know more then a few SOC guys who apply a similar way of thinking. I'm not saying your wrong just that my experiences in the military are quite different. We where taught firearms first, knife second, improvised weapons third and hand-to-hand last, of course hand to hand was the basis for your knife & improvised weapons.

I have no idea. I didnt ask about specific stuff like that. We were actually having a conversation about how I am doing BJJ and he was telling me about what he did for the seals. I know more about his training than details like that because he always talks about the different types of swimming/boating training they did in the ocean. He also talks about skydiving as well and something called hell week where he says he slept only a few hours and didnt really eat. He also said they do something like put you in a tight box for so many hours so that you learn to be in a tight place for a long time. The details about some of the training is pretty wild. Definitely not for the average guy.

[Sake Sipper]

Originally Posted by Them's Fighting Words

I'm talking from my own personal experience. Like I said, very few people have ever tried takin me down at the legs like that.

That may be why you have unusual views on the value of the sprawl.

[Them's Fighting Words]

Originally Posted by Sake Sipper

That may be why you have unusual views on the value of the sprawl.

Could be. Most buds of mine don't bother trying to go for a leg take down on me. Usuually they try to grapple me into a position where they get access to my head and start laying in knees and elbows. Guess cus I'm a short ass.

[Them's Fighting Words]

Originally Posted by john55

I stand corrected, although I did see they eliminated one or all of these in ufc 2 and 3.



No style works against a gun...except maybe chi as ive heard it can block a bullet

My father in law is an x navy seal and he basically told me that he was taught that if they needed to fight they better have their guns because their opponents would. He said hand to hand combat is trained minimally because its not really used. If you dont have a gun you will be dead. He said they spend a lot more time on the range than hand to hand combat for a reason. He explained it pretty much in those terms to.

Never met a Navy Seal but I have met a few military and ex-military guys (Australian army, French Foriegn Legion, Russian Spetznaz and a Gurka). All of them had comprehensive hand to hand combat training (usually with knives). Also my first martial arts instructor fought in WWII and often related stories of how he had killed soldiers armed with guns, using only his knife.
From personal experience and the experience of my buds who have engaged in gun fights, when within four feet of an opponant I'll take a knife over a gun.
As for blocking bullets. I've seen and heard a lot of things in my life, but never a guy catching a bullet.