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Old 02-04-2010, 04:52 AM   #1 (permalink)

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Disruptive jet passenger ate marijuana cookies beforehand

Disruptive jet passenger ate marijuana cookies beforehand
Thursday, February 04, 2010

By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Kinman Chan, a 30-year-old artist from San Francisco with a prescription for medical marijuana, picked the wrong flight to freak out on.

He was arrested on Sunday when his US Airways plane from Philadelphia to San Francisco had to be diverted to Pittsburgh after he became disruptive and attempted to hit one of the flight attendants.

Unfortunately for him, the woman he tried to strike, Lorin Gorman, 51, of Chula Vista, Calif., is a fourth-degree black belt in tae kwon do.

She dodged him, locked his arm behind his back and then jumped in the seat behind him and put him in a choke hold.

"She took him down all right," said Ms. Gorman's mother, Betty Gorman. "He was dealing with the wrong flight attendant."

According to a criminal complaint filed in federal court, Mr. Chan was acting strangely from the beginning of the flight.

At first, he was waving, smiling and making odd gestures to Ms. Gorman. Then, the complaint went on, shortly after takeoff, he went to the restroom on the plane and began to scream.

When another crew member knocked on the door, Mr. Chan came out with his shirt untucked and his pants down. All of the restroom compartments were open. The crew member attempted to get him back to his seat, but Mr. Chan refused.

He then put his hands together as if he were praying, at which point the crew member removed Mr. Chan and escorted him to his seat, the complaint said.

Mr. Chan became aggressive and attempted to hit Ms. Gorman.

That's when her years of training paid off, Betty Gorman said.

Her daughter manhandled Mr. Chan to restrain him, pinning his arm behind his back and eventually using a choke hold, the complaint said.

"If you think that's impressive, you should see her break four or five boards spinning [and] blindfolded," Betty Gorman said.

Mr. Chan, who was traveling back from a conference in the Dominican Republic, was put into handcuffs, and the flight landed in Pittsburgh. He is charged with interfering with flight crew members.

Mr. Chan admitted causing the disturbance and told federal agents he had eaten marijuana cookies while waiting for his connecting flight in Philadelphia. He told them that he had a medical marijuana card and took double his normal dose.

A preliminary hearing on the matter was scheduled for Wednesday, but was continued until Friday.

Mr. Chan is being held in the Allegheny County Jail on a separate state count of disorderly conduct.

He has been unable to post the $200 required to make bond.

According to pictures posted on his blog, Kincept Co., Mr. Chan creates vibrant, abstract works of art.

Last year, one piece was exhibited in an L.A. gallery show.

Lorin Gorman, who was on a flight and couldn't be reached, has been practicing tae kwon do for many years and just recently earned her fourth-degree black belt, her mother said.

The woman originally wanted to go into the Navy's flight program, but she missed the age cutoff while she was in college.

Instead of becoming a pilot, Lorin Gorman, who is friends with Capt. Chelsey B. Sullenberger III -- the US Airways pilot who last year landed on the Hudson River -- chose to be a flight attendant.

"She had to get on a plane one way or the other," her mom said.

US Airways would not comment.
Paula Reed Ward: pward@post-gazette.com or 412-263-2620.

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Old 02-04-2010, 07:41 AM   #2 (permalink)

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It's good to see any martial arts put to good use in any circumstances.
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Good story. But I wonder why she didn't do a 360 spin hook kick to take the guy out?


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She put him in a choke hold??!?!?

4th degree in TKD??!?!?

That would be like saying the BJJ Black Belt KO'ed the guy!

LOL!

Good for her, that's a great story!
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You'd think a guy dosed on weed would be asleep on the plane.

Its great that she was able to take the guy down but also that the flight attendant is over 50 and still training.
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She put him in a choke hold??!?!?

4th degree in TKD??!?!?

That would be like saying the BJJ Black Belt KO'ed the guy!

LOL!

Good for her, that's a great story!
I KNEW you were going to say that.

...or if not you, Triangle.
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I KNEW you were going to say that.

...or if not you, Triangle.
To be honest, I thought the same thing when I read it. I figured I'd let Joe or Tri post it though
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Damnit, I am becoming too predictable.

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Is choking considered more prevalent on one art than others?

In my childhood days, I used a lot of neck choke to hold someone in playground and this was before any kind of martial training. I never put anybody to sleep or anything, it was just to hold someone tight where they couldn't do any damage to me.
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In my childhood days, I used a lot of neck choke to hold someone in playground and this was before any kind of martial training. I never put anybody to sleep or anything, it was just to hold someone tight where they couldn't do any damage to me.
As my signiture says, you'll fight how you train. So it is a bit unusual to hear that during duress a TKD person used techniques not usually associated with TKD. Kudos to her that she is well trained.
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Like WC_lun said.

It's funny that the article gets into the martial arts background of the person and then the techniques she uses aren't really ones associated with the art. It's just ironic. I seriously would have the same reaction if they had said a BJJ guy used a spinning kick to send the guy through the cockpit doors!
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It is a good story, but chances are the reporter doesn't even realize or understand that the tactics she used were not really TKD tactics. And on an airplane, what else could she do? Not like she had any room to do anything other than what she did.

I do think her training and experience allowed her to think fast and avoid the initial strike and then counter with something of her own. Even though the moves she used are not well-known in TKD, they are effective and she may even be cross-training in other arts. Kudos to her for a job well done. I'll bet the rest of the flight crew (including the pilots) feel pretty safe with her roaming the isles during the flight.
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There actually is a logical explanation for it. The first part mentioned is probably very similar to a Kimora (I think?), and a simple choke follows immediately from that when you are looking to control someone. Since she is a 4th Dan in TKD, she likely had some significant exposure to Hapkido (which contains Kimora like techniques).

Why didn't she throw and fancy kicks? They don't work. Why didn't she throw any kicks at all? Because kicks don't restrain people. Similarly, if a BJJ Black Belt wanted to mess up my face, he sure wouldn't put me in an armbar.

And I'm sorry for messing up what could have been a nice stand up vs grappling debate that would likely turn into a MMA vs TMA debate... so just to add some fuel to the fire. That flight attendant could SO kick Royce Gracie's ass especially if there were multiple attackers and no restrictive UFC rules.
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There actually is a logical explanation for it. The first part mentioned is probably very similar to a Kimora (I think?), and a simple choke follows immediately from that when you are looking to control someone. Since she is a 4th Dan in TKD, she likely had some significant exposure to Hapkido (which contains Kimora like techniques).

Why didn't she throw and fancy kicks? They don't work. Why didn't she throw any kicks at all? Because kicks don't restrain people. Similarly, if a BJJ Black Belt wanted to mess up my face, he sure wouldn't put me in an armbar.

And I'm sorry for messing up what could have been a nice stand up vs grappling debate that would likely turn into a MMA vs TMA debate... so just to add some fuel to the fire. That flight attendant could SO kick Royce Gracie's ass especially if there were multiple attackers and no restrictive UFC rules.
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There actually is a logical explanation for it. The first part mentioned is probably very similar to a Kimora (I think?), and a simple choke follows immediately from that when you are looking to control someone. Since she is a 4th Dan in TKD, she likely had some significant exposure to Hapkido (which contains Kimora like techniques).

Why didn't she throw and fancy kicks? They don't work. Why didn't she throw any kicks at all? Because kicks don't restrain people. Similarly, if a BJJ Black Belt wanted to mess up my face, he sure wouldn't put me in an armbar.

And I'm sorry for messing up what could have been a nice stand up vs grappling debate that would likely turn into a MMA vs TMA debate... so just to add some fuel to the fire. That flight attendant could SO kick Royce Gracie's ass especially if there were multiple attackers and no restrictive UFC rules.
Good one. Brought some smiles to my face.

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