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08-11-2006, 11:41 AM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL/South Carolina Styles: mixed martial art style, jeet kune do concepts, currently capoeira
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Home Country: | MMA overview Intro:
Mixed Martial Arts is the training in 2 or more styles to make a more rounded way of fighting. Mixed Martial arts is both a style and not a style simultaneously. It is both a new and old way of thinking about martial arts. It bases the decisions about which techniques to use on their demonstrated effectiveness by different practitioners in open, non-style-specific sparring and/or competition that is designed to have as few rules as possible while still ensuring safety against death or severe permanent injury.
There are two main styles of MMA:
1)Sport MMA- Mixed Martial Arts designed for sporting competition, such as the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), Pride Fighting Championship, or Vale Tudo style fighting matches. These matches usually have two unarmed persons duking it out with the core rules being: No biting, No eye-gouging (with fingers or chin) and No fish-hooking (inserting body parts such as the fingers into bodily crevices such as the mouth or nose). Groin attacks (striking or squeezing the groin) are also often illegal.
The promoters may add more rules, or simply use what are considered to be the core rules. More restrictive promotions of MMA include Old Pancrase, Shootfighting, or RINGS rules. These rulesets often ban striking on the ground, closed-fist striking, or both.
In general, boxing (kickboxing/muay thai included), wrestling (Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and to a lesser extent Judo), and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) are the three styles that comprise the core of nearly all modern MMA training.
2)Street MMA- The principles of Mixed Martial Arts as applied for non-sport situations. There seem to be fewer mixed martial artists interested in this as compared to sport MMA, though the number of practitioners is growing. In practice, many, though not all, of the persons doing this come from a Jeet Kune Do background, and sometimes call what they do Jeet Kune Do (ex. Matt Thornton, Erik Paulson)
Their work is somewhat different from the JKD mainstream in calling for large amounts of few-rules sparring, and they encourage their students to do sport MMA sparring/competition. One can argue endlessly whether what they do is or is not MMA or JKD- suffice it to say there are similarities to both, and that JKD can be MMA and MMA JKD.
Most Street MMAers believe that sport MMA merely needs some changes in strategy (less emphasis on staying on the ground, more weapons awareness) and the addition of some techniques to become highly effective for the street. By far the most common addition to street-oriented MMA is Filipino martial art (FMA) training, due to its emphasis on, and practical use of weaponry, primarily the stick and knife.
Origin:
The sport developed worldwide in the current form circa 1997, with the main centers of development being Brazil, the US, and Japan. During the time of its development, there were many exchanges of knowledge between the nations that developed MMA. Techniques were taken from the martial arts and sports of Brazil, Japan, England, America, Thailand, Holland, France, and Russia, along with smaller amounts from other nations. Early MMA was internationally popularized by the broadcast of the Ultimate Fighting Championship I in November of 1993.
History:
The first documented Mixed Martial Arts style competitions, and certainly the conceptual ancestor of todays MMA, were the Pankration events of Classical Greece. Different styles of Greek wrestling and boxing were utilized. However, unlike the early UFCs, there was little emphasis on proving which style(s) worked best. Instead, there was much more concentration on representing the city the athletes came from, and each city's native styles were considered to be equally good. Other forms of MMA have existed throughout history, such as French Brancaille.
The first Ultimate Fighting Championship was the brainchild of Art Davie and Rorian Gracie. Originally to be called War of the Worlds, it ended up featuring a sumo wrestler, a boxer, a savateur, two kickboxers, a kenpo man, a shootfighter, and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter named Royce Gracie. Gracie swept by the other contestants to win the tournament, and swept two of the next three tournaments (Gracie could not continue due to heat stroke in UFC III) By the time of UFC III, the referee was allowed to stop fights. After UFC IV, Rorian Gracie pulled out of the UFC, and after UFC 6, similar but smaller MMA events began popping up all over the country.
In the first few UFC tournaments, when the rules were limited to the core three, a large variety of stylists competed. However, few fared well. Boxers tended to dominate the striking, wrestlers (Freestyle, Greco-Roman, and to a lesser extent Judo) dominated the takedowns, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ) dominated on the ground. As a result, people began focusing on these three.
Description:
Most Sport MMA fighters fall into one of three general categories- the groundfighter, the wrestler, or the striker.
The groundfighter is the closest to a "pure" grappler one finds in MMA nowadays. The groundfighter's strength is the ability to force a fight to the ground, where they then seek a fight-ending submission (joint locks or choke). While the ability to perform takedowns is integral to groundfighting strategy, a clean, powerful takedown is not as important to the groundfighter as it is to the wrestler.
The wrestler is a stand-up and striking on the ground oriented grappler, whose strength is usually the takedown. A common strategy of the wrestler is known as "ground and pound." This refers to the method of taking an opponent down, achieving a dominant ground position, and finishing the fight with strikes.
The striker is also commonly known as the standup fighter, due to their preference to stay on their feet and win with a knockout. The strategy of the striker is called "sprawl and brawl". This refers to their focus on nullifying takedowns (the sprawl is the highest percentage defense to one of the more common entries to a takedown in wrestling, the shoot) in order to stay upright and exchange blows.
These categories should not be taken as exclusionary of other categories - groundfighters learn at least the basics of wrestling to be able to take down people and the basics of striking to keep from getting KOed. Strikers learn enough wrestling to neutralize takedown and throw attempts and enough groundfighting to get back to their feet if they are taken down. Wrestlers learn enough groundfighting or striking to protect themselves in one of those areas and to be able to easily finish opponents with another.
On rare occasions, you will see fighters highly skilled (by MMA standards) in all three areas. These types of fighters are becoming increasingly common as the sport becomes more professional.
Training:
Training resembles boxing, wrestling, and BJJ training, but with a much smaller selection of technique (for instance, the BJJ spider guard is strongly de-emphasized in MMA, as are wrestling pins). There is also a focus on 'putting it together,' using boxing to set up a takedown, how to take someone down while maintaining position for a submission, boxing on the ground, etc.
Street MMA may add weapon drills, awareness training, and changes in strategy.
Sub-Styles:
Examples of Street MMA are the Dog Brothers style of martial arts sparring (full-contact stickfighting with limited to no protective gear and real sticks), Roy Harris' school in San Diego, CA, and Frank Benn's school in Austin, TX. Reality Fighting and adrenal stress/scenario training (such as that done by Model Mugging/IMPACT, Tony Blauer, Peyton Quinn, etc. ) are also often large influences on many of these programs.
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09-03-2006, 09:59 PM
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| Blue Belt
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Decatur, AL Styles: Seishin Juku, Muy Thai, Shorin Ryu Shorikan, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
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Home Country: | I liked all the reading BlackDragon... I cross trained to make me a better fighter. I enjoy it, learning and growing in knowledge. I also think it makes someone alittle more humble. I have respect for all styles... cause it's the person that devotes himself to that style that makes it stand out. Some students in styles do tend to make that style look bad or better than others. But all in all, I respect & would love to learn from all of them. Just wished I had the time...lol.
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12-31-2006, 11:10 PM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boston MA. Styles: Kickboxing , Greco Roman , Karate, And just a little BJJ..
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Home Country: | good read thanx |
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02-28-2007, 01:11 PM
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| Master III
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Home Country: | Streetfighting was always MMA, you used what it took to get the job done.
It was a MMA before MMA was coined.
Other art had MMA as well.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses' 'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
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10-04-2007, 04:34 PM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smyrna,Tn Area Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
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Home Country: | What criteria does it have to have to be considered a Mixed martial art?
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02-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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| White Belt
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: NY Styles: Muay Boran
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Originally Posted by Lone Ronin SBK What criteria does it have to have to be considered a Mixed martial art? | mixed martiall arts arnt REALLY a martial art. only PURE martial artists are true artists. |
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02-01-2008, 01:39 PM
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| Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Styles: Seishin Juku, Shotokan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Kyokushin
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Home Country: | Interesting read, Blackdragon.
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02-27-2008, 10:10 AM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chi-town Styles: Pankration, BJJ, Sambo, Boxing, MT, Greco
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Originally Posted by Duean Prakalapakorn mixed martiall arts arnt REALLY a martial art. only PURE martial artists are true artists. | What does that even mean?
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02-27-2008, 12:39 PM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Alexandria, VA Styles: BJJ, Submission Grappling
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Originally Posted by Duean Prakalapakorn mixed martiall arts arnt REALLY a martial art. only PURE martial artists are true artists. | LOL! Yeah, that's totally true. 
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02-27-2008, 12:58 PM
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| Black Belt II
Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Styles: To Shin Do Ninjutsu & Tae Kwon Do (WTF)
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Home Country: | Thats like saying that only people who use paint brushes are real artists. Sounds rather "Dee Dee Dee" to me.
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02-27-2008, 01:26 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Alabama Styles: Seishin Juku, Shotokan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Kyokushin
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Originally Posted by Duean Prakalapakorn mixed martiall arts arnt REALLY a martial art. only PURE martial artists are true artists. | I strongly disagree. There is certainly an art to mixing different fighting styles and techniques to create an effective system that works in combat.
__________________ "An eye for an eye only blinds the world." - Ghandi
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02-27-2008, 10:17 PM
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| Master III
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Lone Ronin SBK What criteria does it have to have to be considered a Mixed martial art? | Given the immediate translation, cross training......
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses' 'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
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02-27-2008, 10:19 PM
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| Master III
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Originally Posted by souldrum71 I strongly disagree. There is certainly an art to mixing different fighting styles and techniques to create an effective system that works in combat. | But has martial arts over perods of milineum, been "mixing" in order to continue to find a more effective way/method than its predecessors?
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses' 'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
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02-27-2008, 10:32 PM
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| Black Belt I
Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Smyrna,Tn Area Styles: Cloak and Sabre,longsword style wuthout a name.
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Originally Posted by 47MartialMan Given the immediate translation, cross training...... |
I was just curious because I'm still trying to find a Nakamura school,and also a Yagyau shinkage ryu school, to create Yagyu Nakamura Ryu.
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"If you want your captive to give you honest answers,do not torture them.If you find out the location of their leader,then attacking the threat from its source."
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02-27-2008, 10:35 PM
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| Master III
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Lone Ronin SBK I was just curious because I'm still trying to find a Nakamura school,and also a Yagyau shinkage ryu school, to create Yagyu Nakamura Ryu. | Specific schools such are these are going to be difficult to find, unless some one goes to the country of origin.
__________________ What do I know? Since I didn't post my styles or experience, I have no experience, no knowledge, no say.
That post before mine, was that for post counting? How about the one after?
Hey, my post count has the same palaverment tone as anyone elses' 'MMA fighters are testosterone filled egomaniacs.' - joemoplata they are also filled with babarian creme
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