Cutting Weight for a fight...

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

I prefer to fight people that are MY weight normally, not someone who is normally 195 or 200 and cut so they could fight at 180. Hell, If I cut like you guys do, I could fight at the 160 range and possibly the 155 range...at 6'4" is it really fair? I personally don't think so. Would it give me the advantage? As long as it stayed a stand up fight, most likely. Would I do it? Not a chance. I want to win fair, not because I utilized technicalities to win. For me, in competition, I'm not all about the "w". I'm more about the experience. I've had quite the life so far. I've experienced riding bulls, repelling, crosscountry hiking, deep sea fishing, noodling, small cliff jumping, hang gliding, piloting a plane (even though the actual pilot was right there), "driving" a submarine, raced cars, boxing, and most recently martial arts. I live for the experience guys....And to me, I want to fight someone MY SIZE, not someone larger who just lost weight last night so he could weigh the same as me.


Now, as I stated before, everyone does it, so it DOES even out in that aspect I guess. And maybe living for the experience, and not the "w", is why I'm not a national champion....LOL

That would be why

Originally Posted by GoddeBPM

Are you serious? The guy weakened himself so he can beat people up for longer? Wow... That's scary.

Wearing gloves allows you to hit harder so he strengthened himself.

[Sake Sipper]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

I prefer to fight people that are MY weight normally, not someone who is normally 195 or 200 and cut so they could fight at 180. Hell, If I cut like you guys do, I could fight at the 160 range and possibly the 155 range...at 6'4" is it really fair? I personally don't think so. Would it give me the advantage? As long as it stayed a stand up fight, most likely. Would I do it? Not a chance. I want to win fair, not because I utilized technicalities to win. For me, in competition, I'm not all about the "w". I'm more about the experience.

Then I hate to break it to ya, but you are all about the "L."

And all the deepsea bullriding in the world doesn't change the fact that in a state of nature YOU are the one the rest of the tribe would eat to survive a long winter.

[Gambatte Karate]

Originally Posted by Sake Sipper

Then I hate to break it to ya, but you are all about the "L."

And all the deepsea bullriding in the world doesn't change the fact that in a state of nature YOU are the one the rest of the tribe would eat to survive a long winter.

Ummm...Well' Anyone who is in the area is welcome to come by and test that theory. I have won enough 1st place trophies, and my competition career is basicly done, although I still compete on a local level. I am 1st in points still this year.

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

I wouldn't eat Gamnette I think he would taste gamey.

[Gambatte Karate]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I wouldn't eat Gamnette I think he would taste gamey.

[WC_Lun]

Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD

I wouldn't eat Gamnette I think he would taste gamey.

I suppose that's better than fishy

[Gambatte Karate]

Maybe....maybe not! LOL

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

I want to win fair, not because I utilized technicalities to win.

So let's say you're in an MMA match. You have already said you want to keep it standing, yes? So let's say a guy shoots in on you and you are able to keep him off of you long enough to get to the cage which you can use to keep him off of you easier.

Is that cheating?

Let's say a guy tries to pull you into guard and you turn and have the ref stand him back up.

Is that cheating?

Let's say a guy takes you down and you are able to hold on for last 2 minutes of the round knowing the bell is going to save you.

Is that cheating?

You keep saying things like

For me, in competition, I'm not all about the "w". I'm more about the experience.

But guess what, the fight IS THE EXPERIENCE! And in the fight, there are ways to use the rules to achieve a win. This is known as strategy. To throw stategy out of the window for training is bad coaching, in my opinion.

I want to fight someone MY SIZE, not someone larger who just lost weight last night so he could weigh the same as me.

Then you should drop to next weight class down WHERE ALL THE GUYS YOUR SIZE ARE FIGHTING!

Gambatte, this is how it works dude. It's part of the game, and if you are ever going to be a member of the community involved i combat sports you need to realize this and prepare for it in training.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

Ummm...Well' Anyone who is in the area is welcome to come by and test that theory. I have won enough 1st place trophies, and my competition career is basicly done, although I still compete on a local level. I am 1st in points still this year.

Gambatte, let me ask you in that BJJ class you went to what was the higher belt of the guy you sparred with?

[TRIANGLEFROMGAURD]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

So let's say you're in an MMA match. You have already said you want to keep it standing, yes? So let's say a guy shoots in on you and you are able to keep him off of you long enough to get to the cage which you can use to keep him off of you easier.

Is that cheating?

Let's say a guy tries to pull you into guard and you turn and have the ref stand him back up.

Is that cheating?

Let's say a guy takes you down and you are able to hold on for last 2 minutes of the round knowing the bell is going to save you.

Is that cheating?

You keep saying things like



But guess what, the fight IS THE EXPERIENCE! And in the fight, there are ways to use the rules to achieve a win. This is known as strategy. To throw stategy out of the window for training is bad coaching, in my opinion.


Then you should drop to next weight class down WHERE ALL THE GUYS YOUR SIZE ARE FIGHTING!

Gambatte, this is how it works dude. It's part of the game, and if you are ever going to be a member of the community involved i combat sports you need to realize this and prepare for it in training.

That is very true

[Gambatte Karate]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Gambatte, let me ask you in that BJJ class you went to what was the higher belt of the guy you sparred with?

There was no striking involved, so it isn't a fair comparison. Plus, we started from the ground. I went and played THEIR game. In a competition, I play MY game, not the other persons. And the guy who was higher ranking that I rolled with was not wearing a blet, so I have no idea. But...I was told that he had around 4 or 5 yrs of BJJ exp. Now, if thats the ONLY thing he has exp in, and comes to MY dojo to spar, he may find that he quickly looses also. (maybe not, but it's pretty likely) It's the same as me going to him....I'm not versed in ground submission, and he is....If he's not versed in stand up striking and I am...Well, then he would have to play MY game at my place and would likely wind up in trouble quickly also.



And again mulitiquote owns me...

[Gambatte Karate]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

So let's say you're in an MMA match. You have already said you want to keep it standing, yes? So let's say a guy shoots in on you and you are able to keep him off of you long enough to get to the cage which you can use to keep him off of you easier.

Is that cheating?

Possibly. I would view it as such, but it depends on the rules...Which I really dislike rules...but I play by them.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Let's say a guy tries to pull you into guard and you turn and have the ref stand him back up.

Is that cheating?

I don't understand...If the guy tries to pull me into guard, and I stand back up, why wouldn't he stand up? If he just lays there on his back, then he'll end up having to stand up if he wants to fight. Simple. No, thats not cheating. It's called fighting.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Let's say a guy takes you down and you are able to hold on for last 2 minutes of the round knowing the bell is going to save you.

Is that cheating?

It wouldn't happen...Not because he wouldn't be able to get me down, but because I wouldn't be abel to hold on that long! LOL But, no, thats not cheating.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

But guess what, the fight IS THE EXPERIENCE! And in the fight, there are ways to use the rules to achieve a win. This is known as strategy. To throw stategy out of the window for training is bad coaching, in my opinion.

Do I train people for MMA fights? Nope...I don't. If I did, I would probably have a different opinion, but I don't.

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

Gambatte, this is how it works dude. It's part of the game, and if you are ever going to be a member of the community involved i combat sports you need to realize this and prepare for it in training.

So I wouldn't ever be competitive in combat sports? Now I'm depressed. I guess there are no other combat sports competitions except for MMA? Of course there are. I have competed in them and done quite well in fact. Try telling a boxer that he doesn't do a "real" combat sport. I have competed in martial arts competitions for the last 12 years and done quite well. The difference is, I'm there at the comptitions to LEARN, not just to compete and win. As long as you go into the competition with a learning mind, you will learn, and even if you loose the fight, you win because you learned.

[Sake Sipper]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

Try telling a boxer that he doesn't do a "real" combat sport. I have competed in martial arts competitions for the last 12 years and done quite well. The difference is, I'm there at the comptitions to LEARN, not just to compete and win. As long as you go into the competition with a learning mind, you will learn, and even if you loose the fight, you win because you learned.

The most successful boxers don't balk at cutting weight to fight in the class most advantageous to them.

As for the rest...yeah, yeah, learning and growing as an individual and achieving self actualization and all the rest is nice talk to make people feel good about something they shouldn't. If you enter a competition it is logically for the purpose of winning. Losing sucks and there's no way of talking around it. People sometimes try to give themselves disclaimers like, "I'm just in it for the experience" to buffer the sting and ease the bile, but deep down inside everyone knows...

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

I don't understand...If the guy tries to pull me into guard, and I stand back up, why wouldn't he stand up? If he just lays there on his back, then he'll end up having to stand up if he wants to fight. Simple. No, thats not cheating. It's called fighting.

This is EXACTLY the response I expected!

In my world, not being willing to engage on the ground is stalling and means you're scared. That's not what I call fighting, I call it running.

But in MMA, the rules are that if you stand up and I stay down...I have to stand up. Crap rule, if you ask me....why not come down to where I want?

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by Gambatte Karate

So I wouldn't ever be competitive in combat sports? Now I'm depressed. I guess there are no other combat sports competitions except for MMA? Of course there are. I have competed in them and done quite well in fact. Try telling a boxer that he doesn't do a "real" combat sport. I have competed in martial arts competitions for the last 12 years and done quite well. The difference is, I'm there at the comptitions to LEARN, not just to compete and win. As long as you go into the competition with a learning mind, you will learn, and even if you loose the fight, you win because you learned.

If you don't consider strategy a part of your training for competition then you are not training correctly. That's the point I was trying to make.

And I think I have made myself clear in the past, I think Boxing is a necessary tool for anyone to know to be called a Martial Artist.