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The most successful boxers don't balk at cutting weight to fight in the class most advantageous to them.
As for the rest...yeah, yeah, learning and growing as an individual and achieving self actualization and all the rest is nice talk to make people feel good about something they shouldn't. If you enter a competition it is logically for the purpose of winning. Losing sucks and there's no way of talking around it. People sometimes try to give themselves disclaimers like, "I'm just in it for the experience" to buffer the sting and ease the bile, but deep down inside everyone knows...
Well, I've won more than I've lost, so my record speaks for it's self.
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
If you don't consider strategy a part of your training for competition then you are not training correctly. That's the point I was trying to make.
And I think I have made myself clear in the past, I think Boxing is a necessary tool for anyone to know to be called a Martial Artist.
I would agree to a point. If the only competition you are training for is on the street, then how do you know when to cut weight? If I ever have a student train for MMA, I'll have to evaluate his goals and skills, and go from there.
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Originally Posted by Joemoplata
This is EXACTLY the response I expected!
In my world, not being willing to engage on the ground is stalling and means you're scared. That's not what I call fighting, I call it running.
But in MMA, the rules are that if you stand up and I stay down...I have to stand up. Crap rule, if you ask me....why not come down to where I want?
Why not come back up to where I want? I agree it's not perfect, but it's what you have. In MY world(real world, not competition), if you oponent is down, and you can get away, you better do it or you risk going to jail for using excessive force. If you don't get up, you're beaten or wish to stay down.
In my world, not being willing to engage on the ground is stalling and means you're scared. That's not what I call fighting, I call it running.
But in MMA, the rules are that if you stand up and I stay down...I have to stand up. Crap rule, if you ask me....why not come down to where I want?
what about those grapplers that arnt willing to engage standing up and only want to go to ground? are they scared and running?
what if as a striker you know you strike better than your oppenent so you want to stand up and not go to the ground, becasue you want to end the fight quicker? how is that being scarred or running?
Ok, that isn't a post. But I take it you disagree with my statement, so I will revise it slightly. Grappling is not fun to watch if you are not trained in it. Grapplers will often compare their chose art to chess in that most of the movements you are making are setting up to get someone in a position where they can't do anything. Grappling, like chess, is full of subtleties that the average audience member will miss. Thus, if you are not acquainted with the general techniques and strategies, chess looks like two nerdy kids moving around pieces of wood and grappling looks like two half naked men trying to lay on top of each other.
Ok, that isn't a post. But I take it you disagree with my statement, so I will revise it slightly. Grappling is not fun to watch if you are not trained in it. Grapplers will often compare their chose art to chess in that most of the movements you are making are setting up to get someone in a position where they can't do anything. Grappling, like chess, is full of subtleties that the average audience member will miss. Thus, if you are not acquainted with the general techniques and strategies, chess looks like two nerdy kids moving around pieces of wood and grappling looks like two half naked men trying to lay on top of each other.
Thats rough Chapel....But I would agree with it. It is very much like chess. And the higher belts of jujitsu move with such precision and patience that it would seem that they are actually playing chess. Very good anaology.
Cutting Weight for a fight...
If I ever have a student train for MMA, I'll have to evaluate his goals and skills, and go from there.
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