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In class of yea tap ofc in term of when grappling competitively , tapping for chokes most probably not , locks , are another matter , being put to sleep isn't going to stop be training for 3 months that my line in the sand ..not saying i'll tap immediately , but from someone who has had there arm snapped from a lock , firstly I have a pretty good knowledge of how my elbow works, and second I know how much it damn hurts!
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If you don't tap out and you have your arm broken, then you can't fight for a while which means you can't make money. This is my take on it at least.
I was actually just talking about tapping out to chokes as opposed to going to sleep. Tapping out to arm locks is a different thing altogether.
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MMA fighters go to sleep all the time.
No doubt they do. I sleep a lot myself. Usually six hours every night.
Seriously though, haven't watched UFC for awhile now, mainly because my DVD store doesn't seem to be too keen on getting more in. So recently (say last year or two) how many times has a fighter gone to sleep in the Octagon? More importantly, how come they don't all go to sleep as opposed to tapping out? And even more importantly, does getting choked out a lot do any long term damage (as per getting KOed a lot)?
No doubt they do. I sleep a lot myself. Usually six hours every night.
Seriously though, haven't watched UFC for awhile now, mainly because my DVD store doesn't seem to be too keen on getting more in. So recently (say last year or two) how many times has a fighter gone to sleep in the Octagon? More importantly, how come they don't all go to sleep as opposed to tapping out? And even more importantly, does getting choked out a lot do any long term damage (as per getting KOed a lot)?
I will respond even though it was a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE pun and you should feel bad about yourself.
I don't have the statistics on the fights this year in any event, but the information could be gathered I'm sure. There have been some famous fights in the past of fighters being put completely to sleep including:
I will respond even though it was a TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE pun and you should feel bad about yourself.
I am a BAD man! Ofcourse unlike MMA guys, I don't need another man there to put me to sleep. Rear Naked Choke = Manly Spooning.
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I don't have the statistics on the fights this year in any event, but the information could be gathered I'm sure. There have been some famous fights in the past of fighters being put completely to sleep including:
Thanks for those Joe. I'll be viewing them as soon as my Net speed goes back up again. (I have fairly fast Net speed for a few days a month due to my plan).
BTW: The question of possible long term damage is still something I'm iffy on. Does getting choked out a lot do long term damage? And I mean long term damage as opposed to waking up with my eyebrows shaved?
I would say that getting choked out a lot causes some loss of brain cells due to de-oxygenation, but then brain cells vanish all the time... It's not something I would do repeatedly - but then, drinking heavily every friday night kills even MORE braincells and that's a social norm so...
*shrugs*
How often do professional MMA fighters actually let themselves get choked out rather than tap out? I'm not the ubber-fan of UFC that others here are, but these guys are actually fighting for their livelihood, so why are they taping out? Shouldn't they all just let themselves be choked out to give themselves a few seconds more fight time and thus a few seconds more of potential escape time?
There are examples in pro MMA of guys like Enson Inoue, who made a big thing of 'warrior spirit' and never tapping out (e.g., lost consciousness against Nogueira rather than tap). Something John McCarthy said in an interview, in regards to UFC II (when he wasn't allowed to stop the fight, instead having to rely on the fighter or their corner), fits in here too:
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I had the mistaken belief that people were going to take care of their fighters, they were going to do the right thing. It quickly became evident that fighters were telling their corners "don't you ever stop the fight."
In BJJ, you have people like Jacare, who preferred to let Roger Gracie break his arm rather than tap. Went on to win by points.
Not sensible behaviour in my view, but then I'm not even a regular competitor, let alone a professional. As people like Jacare and Enson demonstrate, at the professional level, there are people who are perfectly happy to risk serious injury rather than submit to their opponent.
I am a BAD man! Ofcourse unlike MMA guys, I don't need another man there to put me to sleep. Rear Naked Choke = Manly Spooning.
Thanks for those Joe. I'll be viewing them as soon as my Net speed goes back up again. (I have fairly fast Net speed for a few days a month due to my plan).
BTW: The question of possible long term damage is still something I'm iffy on. Does getting choked out a lot do long term damage? And I mean long term damage as opposed to waking up with my eyebrows shaved?
This is one of the more common arguments that occurs in the sport: Just how bad is it?
Most people will tell you it's not really that bad, it's the reduction of blood to the brain (not a complete cut off obviously) which causes unconsciousness. If held for a long time it could have adverse reactions but that length of time is dependent of many factors of course.
Compared to getting KO'ed it's quite harmless!
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I would say that getting choked out a lot causes some loss of brain cells due to de-oxygenation, but then brain cells vanish all the time... It's not something I would do repeatedly - but then, drinking heavily every friday night kills even MORE braincells and that's a social norm so...
*shrugs*
Some chokes are vascular not just respiratory. A little fyi for ya.
Ooer get you.
The artery in my neck is slightly misplaced - if I look down and to the side in a certain way I start to faint.
It's a hereditary thing, pretty cool actually.
That's still a lack of oxygen to the brain though surely - lack of blood flow and all that?
Ooer get you.
The artery in my neck is slightly misplaced - if I look down and to the side in a certain way I start to faint.
It's a hereditary thing, pretty cool actually.
That's still a lack of oxygen to the brain though surely - lack of blood flow and all that?
Good to know if we ever roll I can tap you just by making you look down. Hey your shoe's untied......down goes Amski!
This is one of the more common arguments that occurs in the sport: Just how bad is it?
Most people will tell you it's not really that bad, it's the reduction of blood to the brain (not a complete cut off obviously) which causes unconsciousness. If held for a long time it could have adverse reactions but that length of time is dependent of many factors of course.
Compared to getting KO'ed it's quite harmless!
I'll research that a bit more than shall I. I hate losing my brain cells.
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Some chokes are vascular not just respiratory. A little fyi for ya.
Whether you're stopping respiration or blood flow, you're still depriving the brain of oxygen. Big differences I can see are that vascular chokes can't accidentally damage your wind pipe and because they work so much quicker, the brain isn't forced to run on diminished oxygen levels for so long. Supposedly three to four minutes before permanent brain damage starts occurring so vascular chokes are probably safer in this respect.
Whether you're stopping respiration or blood flow, you're still depriving the brain of oxygen. Big differences I can see are that vascular chokes can't accidentally damage your wind pipe and because they work so much quicker, the brain isn't forced to run on diminished oxygen levels for so long. Supposedly three to four minutes before permanent brain damage starts occurring so vascular chokes are probably safer in this respect.
Good point, I actually damaged some one's trachea in a match before. It was one of my first submission grappling matches I had a triangle and the guy slipped his arm free. So I scissored the head which was illegal but, my shin got in his throat and flattened his trachea
Good point, I actually damaged some one's trachea in a match before. It was one of my first submission grappling matches I had a triangle and the guy slipped his arm free. So I scissored the head which was illegal but, my shin got in his throat and flattened his trachea
Can I just say, "Ouch." A shin to the trachea doesn't sound very comfortable.
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