Hapkido

[03youngd]

we do:
white belt = basic attacks and grab defence
yellow belt = basic throws and grab defence from behind
green belt = punch and kick defence
blue belt = judo throws, judo defence, strangle defence
red belt = everything plus knife defence and sitting down techniques

[N.B]

Originally Posted by Draven

I've seen a few Hapkido schools in Korea, seen more Hapkido schools state side then in Korea but most TKD dojangs there also taught Hapkido. From what little I saw, it looked a bit like American Jujitsu...

What's American Jujitsu? Isn't it just jujitsu as practiced in America?

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by N.B

What's American Jujitsu? Isn't it just jujitsu as practiced in America?

AJA - Home Page

[N.B]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

AJA - Home Page

The American Jujitsu Association doesn't equal American jujitsu.
Draven said 'American jujitsu' like it was a separate style. If it is a different style I want to know what separates it from traditional jujitsu.

[03youngd]

yer because american jujitsui is just a federation branch from the art and not a seperate style

[Draven]

Originally Posted by N.B

What's American Jujitsu? Isn't it just jujitsu as practiced in America?

American Jujitsu is a specific style but has two specific sub divisions; Combat Jujitsu and Sport Jujitsu. In both cases the source input is the same; its a mix of freestle Karate, Aikido and Judo. American Sport Jujitsu was very popular for a while in the 70s-80s but just got lost in the BS and competitions became fewer and fewer, by mid 90s it was just a concidered dead in the water. In recent years because of the popularity of MMA, American Sport Jujitsu is making a slow come back. Origionally ASJ was more confined to the south easter part of the US, before the internet & UFCs.

American Combat Jujitsu is mainly what people refer to as Hand-to-Hand Combatives or Military Combatives. The guys at the forefront of this were all prior military guys who took to combining sports medicine and psychological development techniques like those used in the military to develop a comprohensive training program geared around self-defense & combatives.

[H@pkid0ist]

Hapkido - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is one resource that people can use. I know many of the the Hapkidoist that have contributed to this.

Hapkido is not TKD, Aikido or judo. It is not a combination of any of the three.
The misconception comes from people who integrate other training with incomplete hapkido training.
Though many TKD masters have ranking in HKD, the true is not said for HKD masters. They are 2 different arts. If someone trains in TKD that also teaches HKD they will get dual certifications, but there are very few traditional HKD schools out there that teach anything but HKD, hence they only certify in HKD.
The truth is that most traditional HKD practitioners are very weary of TKD schools that teach HKD. We have found that more often than not the HKD that is taught is incomplete. As well, they are certifying in an art that their training is incomplete.
Plus, the fact is when more than one art is taught in the same school, one of the 2 are going to suffer. And since HKD is not what usually pays the bills, it is also the art that usually suffers. It gets watered down, and it is usually only the hand techniques of HKD that are taught. Not the way we move, fight, think. Heck we don't even kick the same. I have even known of schools that do not even teach the principles of HKD and just the hand techniques, yet still certify.
Many of the HKD/TKD people I have worked with seem to be at a loss when it comes to real Hapkido.

[WC_Lun]

Hapkidoist, I've seen this water down effect in my area, in regards to Hapkido...well other arts too. Many of those that teach Hapkido around here are under the impression that if you circle the hands in a big enough circle, your opponent will magically fly through the air As far as locks and presure points, most are clueless. Its cool to see someone that practices Hapkido with a better understanding of it as a fighting art.

[H@pkid0ist]

Originally Posted by WC_Lun

Hapkidoist, I've seen this water down effect in my area, in regards to Hapkido...well other arts too. Many of those that teach Hapkido around here are under the impression that if you circle the hands in a big enough circle, your opponent will magically fly through the air As far as locks and presure points, most are clueless. Its cool to see someone that practices Hapkido with a better understanding of it as a fighting art.

Yea the circles are supposed to be small, even from the beginning. And the big air from throws comes from jumping through the throw. In real life it is not as pretty and very messy. It is really meant to drive your assailant into the ground.

Your defiantly right. The water down effect is defiantly not exclusive to hapkido. I have seen it in many arts from HKD to JKD. That is why when someone looks into an art I warn them to be very cautious and shop around. Look and compare many different schools of the same art, to get an idea of what quality is supposed to be.

[03youngd]

Big circles just do not work, they just slow down your movements to a minimum. My Hapkido Master teaches TKD aswell however these are two totally different schools, his father is Grandmaster Kim and he is still living in Korea. He was one of the first to train in the Soel dojang and was one of the Presidents chief bodyguards, so we have a traditional form of the art.
The only thing we train from other martial arts which im sure you will Hapkidoist is weapons, this is due to the history of defending against the Japanese therefore learning the Japanese sword and other weapons such as nunchuks etc.

[H@pkid0ist]

We do all the traditional Hapkido weapons, and my GM has also trained in some Chinese weapons, but he won't teach those till after master when you have learned all of the material for Hapkido.

[WC_Lun]

I dislike the teaching of weapons from other systems without training in the other systems. I have seen this a lot, particularly with some karate and TKD stylist that want to compete in weapons in tournaments. Many times thier own systems do not teach weapons so they pay teachers outside the system to learn weapons or even worse, learn them from recordings of someone else performing the weapon. Weapons are not se[erate from the systems that spawn them. You need to study the system to learn the weapon, not study the weapon to learn the system. Even worse are the ones who think they are learning weapons from video. These guys have no idea the true soul of a weapon or how to use it, but they'll try to mimic the forms like a trained monkey because they think it looks "cool."

I've got no issue with learning things outside your system. However, make sure you are truly learning it instead of pretending to. I've seen way too many talented martial artist make themselves look like fools trying to do something they weren't trained properly to do.

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

yeah i dont remember seeing that many Hapkido schools in Korea either. ive seen some Hapki yusul schools which are pretty cool...and tough. Hapkido has a good following in Korea

but sometimes i wonder if it will end up like Tang Soo Do. Tang Soo Do is just about extinct in Korea because its sort of like a TKD prototype. its an art but the history gives me the impression of TKD prototype so they dont practice it much over there anymore.

since Hapkido is the Korean version of daito-ryu aikijujutsu with elements from tang soo do. some people claim the kicking is from taekyon but taekyon people kick totally different. i would say it shares alot of similarities with aikido being that aikido an ancestor to aikijujutsu

[03youngd]

What most people dont realise is that generally in Korea, as a child you study TKD however once you reach about 18 you then go on to study Hapkido, that is why TKD schools often teach HKD however they teach very watered down techniques.

Another thing is that i understand what you mean about learning from videos etc. however what you are saying about learning the style to fit the weapon i do not agree with. You learn to defend yourself with whatever weapon you have. It is wrong to say that for example the only way you can use nunchuks is by studying a chinese martial art. Yes i agree with you on how wrong it is for teachers to simply watch videos and learn etc. however in my case my Master teaches the sword because his Ancestors fought the Japanese.

I do a traditional form of Hapkido and my Master teaches chanelling of Ki etc. however his golden rule he always says is "if it works, then use it" it doesnt matter whether its a technique from another style, if you are in that situation and you can use a tiger claw to the face then claw at the face, instead of standing there thinking now what move could i use

[WC_Lun]

If you can learn to use the weapon properly, then by all means learn it. Unfortunatly, a lot of people cannot use the weapon they say they have even mastered. Having an ancestor that used a weapon does not qualify a person to teach the weapon. If it did then it would mean I am qualified to teach ancient Irish, Scottish, German, and Choctaw Indian weapons. What qualifies a person to teach a weapon is being certified by another person that is qualified to teach that weapon.

Here's the thing. When people learn weapons partially, or even worse, teach weapons when they aren't certified to do so, it waters down the art of that weapon. No exceptions, no matter how cool the person thinks the weapon is, no matter how much natural ability the person posseses, no matter what excuse is used. Imagine if your art was taught by a blue or brown belt. Would that be satisfactory to you? For some of us, the dilution of these arts is something we fight against. It might be a losing battle, but hey, we gotta try.