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Styles: Ninjutsu, Tae Kwon Do, Modern Army Combatives
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Originally Posted by TRIANGLEFROMGAURD
I never really answered the question just commented.
I use Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and wrestling for my ground fighting needs. I've also studied Sambo which has some good stuff in it as well.
I would be very interested in seeing the ground aspect of Hapkido if you have some videos or something that would be awesome.
have u ever seen those old WW2 video clips of female Russian agents using Sambo? that was some high speed stuff. if i ever get the chance id like to learn some Sambo too.
one of my favorite TV shows overseas was a documentary about people training Sambo in Russia which can be exciting.....and bloody. i like how the Army is getting more an more Sambo instructors so maybe ill come across one soon
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"Never stop moving. If you stop moving,you give your opponents openings and you may be killed. If you stop moving, what you are doing merely becomes a technique, not Taijutsu"
Shaka Zulu:
"A man chosen to wield life and death on the battlefield must be an artist, if he isn't, he is simply a murderer."
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Chief Instructor, I.H.K.A. www.ihmuca.com
International Hapkido Martial Arts University California
we do ground work every so often but generally it is not taught in our curriculum, we do every so often practice those moves but we do moves which consist of instantly getting back to your feet as from a self defence view it is very dangerous t fight on the floor.
Therefore we only ever train to get back up rather than slugging it out on the floor. I think in some ways this is the reason for many HKD schools to not include ground fighting, i believe this is wrong as although it is a bad area to be in it is useful to know what to do if you do go down
we do ground work every so often but generally it is not taught in our curriculum, we do every so often practice those moves but we do moves which consist of instantly getting back to your feet as from a self defence view it is very dangerous t fight on the floor.
Therefore we only ever train to get back up rather than slugging it out on the floor. I think in some ways this is the reason for many HKD schools to not include ground fighting, i believe this is wrong as although it is a bad area to be in it is useful to know what to do if you do go down
Your perspectice is flawed, please do not speak in generalities about what is good for self defense.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Your perspectice is flawed, please do not speak in generalities about what is good for self defense.
im just voicing my own opinions that i think that if you are fighting on the floor what stops the guys mates kicking your head like a foot ball. and i am no saying that all ground fighting is pointless as i state that it is a useful area to know if you get in that situation
im just voicing my own opinions that i think that if you are fighting on the floor what stops the guys mates kicking your head like a foot ball. and i am no saying that all ground fighting is pointless as i state that it is a useful area to know if you get in that situation
No, you did not speak your opion. What you said was:
"we do every so often practice those moves but we do moves which consist of instantly getting back to your feet as from a self defence view it is very dangerous t fight on the floor"
Nowhere in this statement do you say:
a. "in my opinion"
or
b. "for me, it would be dangerous to fight on the floor".
This would have been an accurate statement, but you did not qualify your statement as opinion with option a nor did you personalize it for yourself with option b. Nor did you qualify the self defense scenario to include the guys "mates" which would imply you are getting beat up by a gang.
As I said in my first post, you made a complete generalization based on your own thoughts which is a flawed perspective.
FOR YOU, fighting on the ground would be a bad thing because you do not know how to fight on the ground.
FOR ME, fighting on the ground would be a good idea because it is my personal expertise.
Or how about:
IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS, fighting on the ground may not be a good idea.
Why is this so fracking difficult to explain to people?
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
ok well what i meant was from my opinion and another thing i should have said was that generally i see a situation when you must defend your self generally at the pub or walking home at night type times. There are not many people who by themselves will start a fight, therefore most likely a person will have friends near by. Yes in a one on one situation ground fighting will destroy anyone however i cannot recall many times when many people decide to go one on one.
It is not my trained area however i want to learn how to fight there because i believe it is pointless not covering all areas. I think this topic could be an endless debate sadly lol
ok well what i meant was from my opinion and another thing i should have said was that generally i see a situation when you must defend your self generally at the pub or walking home at night type times. There are not many people who by themselves will start a fight, therefore most likely a person will have friends near by. Yes in a one on one situation ground fighting will destroy anyone however i cannot recall many times when many people decide to go one on one.
It is not my trained area however i want to learn how to fight there because i believe it is pointless not covering all areas. I think this topic could be an endless debate sadly lol
Have you ever noticed how people will alter their perception of reality to match their opinion? Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that self defense training means learning to fight a gang? Seriously?
That's absolutely absurd. I get so irritated with this logic because it's so completly out of the scope of reality that it's on a level of denial normally reserved for alcoholics and religious zealots. Most people will at least try to back up theory with some sort of logic that is either based on reality or at least based on personal experience.
You are not correct with your logic, there are multiple problems with it that have been argued on this and other forums like it time and time again. While I will tell you that are actually 100% incorrect, I am not going to get into the whys. It's been done and it's not fair to the people on the forum to rehash all of that again.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
Have you ever noticed how people will alter their perception of reality to match their opinion? Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that self defense training means learning to fight a gang? Seriously?
That's absolutely absurd. I get so irritated with this logic because it's so completly out of the scope of reality that it's on a level of denial normally reserved for alcoholics and religious zealots. Most people will at least try to back up theory with some sort of logic that is either based on reality or at least based on personal experience.
You are not correct with your logic, there are multiple problems with it that have been argued on this and other forums like it time and time again. While I will tell you that are actually 100% incorrect, I am not going to get into the whys. It's been done and it's not fair to the people on the forum to rehash all of that again.
im sorry but the only time i can recall one on one face offs was in the school yard when i was 12. i am not saying this is the only situation hence why i say that it is a useful skill to know when in that situation, however i know for a fact that all the times my mates have been attacked by others was when there was a group of people looking for fights.
It is a totally blind view to think that people only fight one on one, the point i am trying to get across is that it is useful to know how to fight both ways, therefore being able to take out someone when they are by themselves by ground work, however to be able to stay off the floor when there is a group.
In england it is frequent for people to get attacked by groups because its the whole cocky group mentality of thinking they can walk over anyone with there mates. People go out in groups around here (im from Newcastle so if anyone who lives in Newcastle will understand what i mean by all those chav gangs) looking to pick fights with people, however when by themselves they will not step a toe out of line.
We have a big fair on where i live every year and the last one a big group of gypsies went round kicking in people.
I am not blind to the fact that it may occur when you are going up against one person and as i said ground fighting is superb therefore you cannot argue that i am stuck in the 'denial' mentality of reality
im sorry but the only time i can recall one on one face offs was in the school yard when i was 12. i am not saying this is the only situation hence why i say that it is a useful skill to know when in that situation, however i know for a fact that all the times my mates have been attacked by others was when there was a group of people looking for fights.
It is a totally blind view to think that people only fight one on one, the point i am trying to get across is that it is useful to know how to fight both ways, therefore being able to take out someone when they are by themselves by ground work, however to be able to stay off the floor when there is a group.
In england it is frequent for people to get attacked by groups because its the whole cocky group mentality of thinking they can walk over anyone with there mates. People go out in groups around here (im from Newcastle so if anyone who lives in Newcastle will understand what i mean by all those chav gangs) looking to pick fights with people, however when by themselves they will not step a toe out of line.
We have a big fair on where i live every year and the last one a big group of gypsies went round kicking in people.
I am not blind to the fact that it may occur when you are going up against one person and as i said ground fighting is superb therefore you cannot argue that i am stuck in the 'denial' mentality of reality
I'm not going to debate this with you bro, you are free to think whatever you want and play a very dangerous game with your life thinking that what you are doing is preparing you to take on entire gangs of people by yourself. It's your life, do with it as you want.
For the rest of you wondering what martial arts program out there might be good for you let me help you:
Anyone telling you that you will learn to fight entire gangs of people by yourself is lying to you. Please be careful with what people are telling you and use common sense and sound judgement when picking your school. There is no magic to martial arts, there's nothing mystical and a real fight does not look like it does in the movies.
As is getting to be customary for me on this board, I will now depart from this particular thread because of the absurdity. If anyone wants to discuss BJJ, MMA or anything closely resembling these concepts please feel free to come into one of those forums in that I will continue to try to stick to those areas.
__________________ And who knows, he might could tap me. BUT I have enough confidence in my game to say he can't.
- Jade Dragon
I'm not going to debate this with you bro, you are free to think whatever you want and play a very dangerous game with your life thinking that what you are doing is preparing you to take on entire gangs of people by yourself. It's your life, do with it as you want.
For the rest of you wondering what martial arts program out there might be good for you let me help you:
Anyone telling you that you will learn to fight entire gangs of people by yourself is lying to you. Please be careful with what people are telling you and use common sense and sound judgement when picking your school. There is no magic to martial arts, there's nothing mystical and a real fight does not look like it does in the movies.
As is getting to be customary for me on this board, I will now depart from this particular thread because of the absurdity. If anyone wants to discuss BJJ, MMA or anything closely resembling these concepts please feel free to come into one of those forums in that I will continue to try to stick to those areas.
at no point i ever mentioned i can take on a whole gang of people what i said was its a very bad idea to start ground fighting in that situation which is effectivily going to get you 'killed', at least if you stay on your fight you can run away at the first opportunity
at no point i ever mentioned i can take on a whole gang of people what i said was its a very bad idea to start ground fighting in that situation which is effectivily going to get you 'killed', at least if you stay on your fight you can run away at the first opportunity
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