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I find it interesting, however, that you say that having an opponent in your guard is preferable to being on top in your opponent's guard.
I am not 100% sure, but most bjj guys at my school prefer guard. I actually prefer to be in guard because i am better at breaking and passing whereas my submissions/sweeps from guard are not as good. And when someone passes my guard, i have a hard time recovering back into a dominate position.
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I find it interesting, however, that you say that having an opponent in your guard is preferable to being on top in your opponent's guard.
It just depends on the persons capabilities is all. Here's a consideration:
In competition, escaping from a bad position is not worth any points. A sweep, which is anytime you take someone from your guard and put them on their back or butt, is worth 2 points.
So, it would be much smarter to escape the mount into your own guard then sweep the guy over for two points as opposed to rolling him over into his closed guard for no points.
Also, let's say you get mounted (4 point for him) and then you roll him over into his guard (no points for you) and then get swept immediately back into mount (2 for sweep + 4 for mount). Now you're down 10 points in the matter of seconds.
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That makes some sense in terms of the scoring, although I'm not sure if that kind of scoring is necessarily a realistic of who is the better BJJer in that specific case.
Maybe my confusion is with the idea of 'dominant position'. Somehow I always figured that 'dominant' meant 'on top' so even if you were in someone's guard you were still 'dominant'. I am, of course, assuming that it is preferable to be in the dominant position.
That makes some sense in terms of the scoring, although I'm not sure if that kind of scoring is necessarily a realistic of who is the better BJJer in that specific case.
Maybe my confusion is with the idea of 'dominant position'. Somehow I always figured that 'dominant' meant 'on top' so even if you were in someone's guard you were still 'dominant'. I am, of course, assuming that it is preferable to be in the dominant position.
Being in someone's guard is not considered dominant, it's considered neutral. In someone's guard, any guard position, is the only position you can be on top and NOT be considered dominant.
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Being in someone's guard is not considered dominant, it's considered neutral. In someone's guard, any guard position, is the only position you can be on top and NOT be considered dominant.
I'd be interested in seeing the Hapkido groundwork as well. Always interested in seeing things I haven't seen before
check out the following links www.gonkwon.com & YouTube - Grand Master seminar (Korea jiu jitsu Gongkwon yusul)Hapkido)
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Being in someone's guard is not considered dominant, it's considered neutral. In someone's guard, any guard position, is the only position you can be on top and NOT be considered dominant.
I know that I prefer to keep someone in my guard. It just SEEMS as though it is a better position. (Of course, I have little ju jitsu experience though) I can see more submissions from the guard...and it's much easier to maintain that position as opposed to the mount.
I know that I prefer to keep someone in my guard. It just SEEMS as though it is a better position. (Of course, I have little ju jitsu experience though) I can see more submissions from the guard...and it's much easier to maintain that position as opposed to the mount.
It doesn't really get taught in Judo but... I still do it. It's less tiring.
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Similar to soul's answer, we are also a TKD dojang, but incorporate a little bit of other styles into the mix too, such as JJ. It is seen as making us a more rounded martial artist to at least be somewhat familiar with other styles.
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check out the following links www.gonkwon.com & YouTube - Grand Master seminar (Korea jiu jitsu Gongkwon yusul)Hapkido)
Master Kang Jun. He strikes me(no MA pun intended!!!) as a very humble man & very enthusiastic regarding Martial Arts. I've attended a seminar that he taught in NSW & I was very impressed by him & the style... Very good stuf!!! G
Looks like jits to me. You can tell he's using jj and judo by the submissions he's using. Absolutely nothing at all wrong with that. I think it is kind of misleading to call it Hapkido ground fighting though.
Looks like jits to me. You can tell he's using jj and judo by the submissions he's using. Absolutely nothing at all wrong with that. I think it is kind of misleading to call it Hapkido ground fighting though.
Good call.
In that video his process of opening the closed guard in the first move is a bit outdated and wouldn't be a very smart idea against a seasoned grappler. It's a good way to get triangled. He then uses the knee across to setup a knee bar which isn't a bad idea, but honestly from a "self defense" position not a great idea. If you miss that knee bar, you have given up your top position and may even give up your back.
In his second set of moves, the wristlock and subsequent straight armlock are decent but there's a bit of space. Ideally, from there you should really be tighter on your opponent even sitting completely on his head.
The kesa gatame keylock is decent, the cradle as a tap is unlikely though.
The shrimping drills are ridiculous, as is the rolling around. That's showing off your speed which is irrelevant to technique, it's just showing off.
The double leg takedown is terrible, teaching a double leg that way is dangerous.
The guard pass he uses to mount is sloppy, the idea is good but the execution is more like a BJJ blue level as is the keylock he employs. Effective against a non-grappler but wouldn't work against a seasoned grappler because of the execution.
The taking of the back from the guard is blue belt level execution as well, not very effective because he is making way too much space to come up and get the back.
That's as far as I got in watching it this time around (We've discussed this video on here before).
Yes, the stuff he is showing is very typical of a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu curriculum. It would seem that he has had some training with some BJJ people and incorporated that into his own methodologies but based on what he is showing I would think that his ranking in BJJ would be, at best, a purple belt. Of course, he might kick my ass on the mat and prove me wrong there. I'm just critiquing the technical details of the moves he is showing from the perspective of a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practicioner and our goal is to beat other seasoned grapplers so we have much finer details than someone wanting to learn just enough to beat a novice.
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Your ground work
It's less tiring. 
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