Your ground work

[H@pkid0ist]

Oh lord, here we go again!
I know so many HKD dojang that wont even go to the ground. Then more and more are supplementing with other ground arts.
We all seem to forget the arts that HKD sprang from DRAJJ and Choi's first student was a judoka bb, and his techniques were integrated into the art.
Very few HKD dojang seem to use their own techniques on the ground. I know this is all but forgotten, but the techniques are still there.

So if you roll on the ground where do you get your ground work from.

For us we still use HKD for the ground. As well, I experiment with our techniques for the ground every day searching for what has been forgotten.

[souldrum71]

Originally Posted by H@pkid0ist

So if you roll on the ground where do you get your ground work from.

I teach and train at a TKD dojang, and we do practice some sweeps and takedowns from traditional Chang Hon TKD. However, we also train in and incorporate judo and Japanese jujitsu into our TKD training, and we use these styles' ground techniques primarily.

However, my wife (who is the head instructor) and I have also been training in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for about five months now, and one day, when we've ranked up enough, we hope to add BJJ to the mix.

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

I'm not going to turn this into a style v style thread but, if you are not practicing correct positioning on the ground such as shrimping and using your hips what you are doing is useless against a skilled ground fighter. Knowing a certain move does not equate to being able to use it on the ground.

[Draven]

Well I got a dose of some Ne-waza from judo which wasn't allot and I also picked up most of groundfighting from American Sport Jujitsu, then Marine Combatives added to it (mostly similar to Judo and Sport Jujitsu) and I got instructor training in MAC (which is Gracie Combatives Based & again very similar to Judo & SJJ).

Techniques are pretty common but the goals and training methods differ...

[WC_Lun]

We use some BJJ, but we are actively learning JJ to suppliment our ground game. However, we are using Wing Chun concepts with the additional training so some of it would not look exactly like JJ. For instance when we throw, the opponent is thrown to the third point on of the triangulation, instead of further out. It seems like a small thing, but hgely important as far as our concepts of fighting and control go.

[N.B]

We use Japanese jujitsu, but we are not taught it regularly.

My TSD instructor used to be a jitsuka bb and teaches us jj techniques if there is a problem in the dojang (such as the floor getting too slippery to execute kicks and punches). Other than this we are not taught any groundwork.

[Joemoplata]

I wasn't sure what to make of this thread, and it is sitting in the Hapkido forum and I am not a Hapkido practicioner so I felt it best to stay out but...



Nothing on the ground has been forgotten. There are many, many arts that have been concentrating nearly 100% of their time to grappling and ground work since before Hapkido ever started. With the popularity of submission oriented groundwork in the past 20 years in this country and others, you can find these arts all over the place now.

I would venture to say that if you are looking to learn that world it would do you best to go to those highly skilled in those arts.

[WC_Lun]

No matter what style you study, there are others that will have a better way of doing some things. For instance, I'm a Wing Chun guy. Our stand up is pretty darn good and we actually do have some ground work. However, JJ has some things better with thier grappling and ground fighting. So we study that and adjust it to how we fight. To dismiss what others know is not the best thing to do as a martial artist. Even if you disagree with how someone does something, it is best if you know why they do it.

[Draven]

The only real difference in any system is how you train more then what you train. Every system as a major strategy for their situational needs but its all just old wine in new wine bottle.

[H@pkid0ist]

Originally Posted by Joemoplata

I wasn't sure what to make of this thread, and it is sitting in the Hapkido forum and I am not a Hapkido practicioner so I felt it best to stay out but...



Nothing on the ground has been forgotten. There are many, many arts that have been concentrating nearly 100% of their time to grappling and ground work since before Hapkido ever started. With the popularity of submission oriented groundwork in the past 20 years in this country and others, you can find these arts all over the place now.

I would venture to say that if you are looking to learn that world it would do you best to go to those highly skilled in those arts.

Well, when I say forgotten, what I meant was forgotten in the hapkido community. A lot of HKD schools no longer do any ground work except what they cross train in. Hapkido originally used DRAJJ and Judo for their ground work, in time it was developed to be more uniquely Hapkido or forgotten. It was left alone by many instructors in the old days cause they did not like or were comfortable with the ground, so the avoided it. But like many things in the martial arts, its popularity has come full circle and those who have neglected it have regretted it.
At leas this is what I was taught my 2 of my HKD instructors back in the day.

[N.B]

Originally Posted by Draven

The only real difference in any system is how you train more then what you train. Every system as a major strategy for their situational needs but its all just old wine in new wine bottle.

Except for capoeira

[Shinobi_Kokujin]

my TKD GM uses Yusul (Korean equivalent of jujutsu grappling) and Judo.

by the time i got my BB it was almost time to leave. but when i go back to Korea ill be able to resume learning more yusul. i may use some techniques from Army combatives but i dont rely on them

cause i also use the groundfighting from ninjutsu of which has some ryuhas that are jujutsu schools

[TRIANGLEFROMGUARD]

I never really answered the question just commented.

I use Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and wrestling for my ground fighting needs. I've also studied Sambo which has some good stuff in it as well.

I would be very interested in seeing the ground aspect of Hapkido if you have some videos or something that would be awesome.

[Joemoplata]

Originally Posted by H@pkid0ist

Well, when I say forgotten, what I meant was forgotten in the hapkido community. A lot of HKD schools no longer do any ground work except what they cross train in. Hapkido originally used DRAJJ and Judo for their ground work, in time it was developed to be more uniquely Hapkido or forgotten. It was left alone by many instructors in the old days cause they did not like or were comfortable with the ground, so the avoided it. But like many things in the martial arts, its popularity has come full circle and those who have neglected it have regretted it.
At leas this is what I was taught my 2 of my HKD instructors back in the day.

Gotcha. I certainly agree that things have sort of come full circle and many are regretting turning away from the "uglier" side of a fight, but many are turning coming back around and incorporating more ground work into their curriculums. I have three conversations this week in my area with TMA schools that want a grappling program.

[WC_Lun]

I'd be interested in seeing the Hapkido groundwork as well. Always interested in seeing things I haven't seen before