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Ive always been taught to throw after striking techniques, like palm strikes or elbows because it makes the opponent easier to throw.
That's that Japanese jujitsu training in you, grasshopper. I know where you're coming from, man.
Tri, very cool videos. I have seen that ankle pick dozens of times in the UFC, but I never thought to research how it was done. I'm gonna see what I can do with that this Wednesday during free rolling.
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nah, that is not banned at all. You can do all throws/takedowns from hapkido in mma and you can do your joint manipulations. You just cant do finger locks. That move you described would be legal in bjj competition as well.
I don't think you understand. Wrist-locks counts as small-joint manipulation. Same category as finger-locks.
I don't think you understand. Wrist-locks counts as small-joint manipulation. Same category as finger-locks.
-Kraen
Who told you that? Where are you getting that from?
"Small joint manipulation" refers to the tarsal and metatarsal joints, as well as the carpal and metacarpal joints. That is, fingers and toes.
They are legal in MMA and legal in BJJ
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I don't think you understand. Wrist-locks counts as small-joint manipulation. Same category as finger-locks.
-Kraen
Wrist locks are allowed in MMA. I'm not sure who and why someone would tell you they are not??? They are hard to pull off against a skilled grappler on the ground and nearly impossible standing.
#20 on the list of fouls says "Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent."
Most of the wrist locks I have been trained to do start with grabbing the hand. So, wrist locks may be legal but hanging on to my opponent's hand to get an outer turn or a z-lock on him would be a foul, even if I could get enough traction through his glove to do the technique right.
That has always seemed like the biggest reason for wristlocks not working in MMA to me, but I have also never competed in an MMA event.
For those of you that have, is my interpretation of the rules correct?
#20 on the list of fouls says "Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent."
Most of the wrist locks I have been trained to do start with grabbing the hand. So, wrist locks may be legal but hanging on to my opponent's hand to get an outer turn or a z-lock on him would be a foul, even if I could get enough traction through his glove to do the technique right.
That has always seemed like the biggest reason for wristlocks not working in MMA to me, but I have also never competed in an MMA event.
For those of you that have, is my interpretation of the rules correct?
No you can grab the hand in MMA what the rules means is that you can't hook the openings in the glove. Like where the fingers come out or at the wrist or the palm opening. You can not use any of these because it becomes like a handle.
And as Joe pointed out hurting my wrist is not that critical. I've broken my hand in a fight and was able to continue for example.
I can see that. I can also see how it would still restrict a lot of my thumb-side grabs. It would be really hard for me to not sink my fingers into that palm opening.
yer we do free sparring, generally we learn the techniques and practice them in free sparring sessions, we do training like one person can only kick and the other can only grapple to work ways of beating systems and obviously we built this in to full free sparring where basicly anything goes apart from biting and gouging.
one key thing which we do is constantly attack rather than use defensive kicks etc. for example i have used a jumping double kick followed by a punch to the head as i fall to the ground towards my oppenent, thats not saying we do not defend though lol
im trying to get someone to be able to record one of our sparring sessions but i am usually teaching or being a refferee so i can not film it myself.
As Tri already pointed out, holding the glove is not there because of the potential for wrist locks.
Gloves are a mandatory piece of equipment in the ring. Same as wearing shorts. Since these are mandatory, you are not allowed to use them items against your opponent. In the old days, people were allowed to wear full gis in the ring. Since wearing the full uniform was the fighters CHOICE, you were allowed to use it against them. Same as if I chose to hear head gear in the ring, since it's MY choice to wear it if you want to grab it and yank me around by it then it was a stupid choice to wear it. But if everyone had to wear head gear you wouldn't be able to do that.
Make sense?
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Oh, I know the rule doesn't exist to stop wristlocks, I was just noting that wristlocks may not be used because of the rule.
If that makes any sense.
I've seen guys try wristlocks in MMA, but I can't ever recall ever hearing of a tap because of one. Honestly, I would have a hard enough time tapping to one in BJJ competition but in a cage I think I would let you break it.
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I can see that. I can also see how it would still restrict a lot of my thumb-side grabs. It would be really hard for me to not sink my fingers into that palm opening.
Thanks for the info!
Its a prime example of adapting to a situation, if someone is wearing protective gear, why aim for the protective area, go for weaker points and exploit openings.
I must say in my 5 years of hapkido training i have still never managed to use a thumb side grab to take someone down, i have mainly found close quarters wrist manipulation to be the best to set the oppenent into a very weak position e.g down on one knee then a knee can swiftly follow.
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